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"combination of engine braking and rear brake"

Video from Rossi rear brake use starts at 7:08

Well after my trackday yesterday I didn't try backing it in. I was too focused on line building and establishing better reference points. Although I did use the rear brake.....once I rode off into the grass when hitting a false neutral and didn't have enough time to fix it before the corner came lol.

I am sorry but I don't agree with not using the rear break period on the track, some schools even teach learning to use the rear brake in conjunction with the front because if you can use the rear but not abuse it you can brake that much harder over another rider that only uses the front. A tip I know is to allow some air in the rear brake line so the rear wheel has a less chance of locking up because it wont have it's full braking force. I have a trackday coming up on Monday, not sure if I am going to try this or not but I may play around with modulating the clutch instead of using the rear brake.

Never thought of it like that, thanks for the tip!

I know that the rear tire needs to spin slower then the front for the rear tire to slide around a corner. The methods I know on doing this are 1 using the clutch and 2 using the rear brake. When first learning to do this and practicing it at slower speeds which way is a better way to start out? Another technique I know is to purposely let air in the rear brake line so you have to stand on the rear brake harder which makes it less likely for the rear wheel to lock up because with the air in the line it wont have the same braking power. My only issue I see with that is you can't modulate the pressure as easily since you have to apply so much pressure.

If you have reached the lean angle necessary for the turn, I totally agree with this statement. I personally don't like what happens to me when I add some additional lean once I am back in the throttle, ergo a little caveat to my support. Rain If I need to adjust my lean angle while being on the gas I just hold that throttle position until the lean angle is adjusted and then it's back to the roll on, although I have found my throttle roll on to be a little too conservative so I need to work on that. Guess I just view smooth as "slow and easy" but it can be quicker while maintaining smoothness.

I think people are just worried about sliding the rear or running wide...SR"s kicking in, I never hesitate to get right back to the gas. If you have good throttle control you can get back to the gas well before the apex.

I looked around on google and apparently the USA tires are NOT to be flipped but the UK ones can be flipped, obviously you still will have less traction on that side even when flipped but this is for practice trackdays not trying to set personal best or record lap times on these tires.

I have some race take offs 190/55 rears and Brainerd Intl Raceway is a right hand favored track, the seepes on the right side of the tire are there but I can only get a little bit of fingernail in there for depth reference. On the left side and center there is a good amount of rubber left, can you flip the rears even though they are DOT's? I know even when flipped I wont have as much traction on the left handers but my pace is fast novice/ slow intermediate and would only be using these for trackdays so it's not like I am riding on the edge of traction or pushing the limits of the tires. Also the blueing on the sides of the tires, what does that indicate? I have never seen that before. Thanks!

Didn't you self-diagnose right there? If you feel rushed, back a bit off like on the CSS drills; build the right technique in at a lower speed and only then increase the speed. What about trying to start down-shifting about 1/2 half through the braking? would this make you feel less rushed? Downshifting before braking (without a slipper) would send the engine into a lot of RPMs, and possibly over-rev it (or lock up the rear wheel). Does this sound right to you? I think that this article by Keith is exactly what you need: Brake/down. Kai That is correct, my bike is not street legal. All race bodywork, no lights, no plate, no insurance and ect. "khp" It's not that my pace is "too fast" for me, I really feel that I am only riding at 70-80% on trackdays. I give myself plenty of time to setup my braking and downshifting before a turn and make sure to purposely give myself more then enough lead time for screw ups so I don't risk running off track or blowing the corner. This Friday I will have to try downshifting 1/2 way through braking.

I use the spool rear stand and the cheaper under the forks stand and it works just fine as long as you don't get too crazy with it. Only downfall is you can't get the full body positioning feeling because the bike obviously wont lean with you and if it does you are probably going to be pretty upset! lol I need to be doing this more then I have been, used to do it every time I went in and out of the garage but have been slacking on it.....

Visual skills will help with that. There is always more than one line through any given corner that will allow for rule #1 and a lot of the time, it can be very aggressive. Traffic is an issue yes.... but if you start now by planning ahead and looking through traffic, you can set up a pass a section (2 or 3 corners of a track) ahead of time and roll right pass using an alternative line. Coming back to work on this skill after you get faster sucks..... I know because I am currently doing just that. Interesting, I never thought of planning out 2-3 corners ahead of time.....I have a certain section of that course where I can line people up and pass with more aggression on the throttle but I see where you are going with this. Thanks for the tip! I will keep this in mind during my next TD this Friday.

Oh ok now I remember, that's confusing to me because one of the guys on another forum told me he has been to CSS all the way to level 4 and then repeated 4 again and apparently that's how it's "supposed to be done". Personally I don't feel their is only one single way to ride, just some styles fit certain bikes or certain tracks better then others. That is what makes the greats unique, however my point is I am not a record setting rider so I am willing to try other things to experiment and see if it makes me any faster or not. I don't hang off loose, I stay firm everywhere but my arms.....I only input as much needed to steer the bike.

Yeah I have been trying to correct that myself but in the heat of the moment I forget about it lol. The body position part I am still working on, I was told to pivot my hips a little more towards the corner so I can drop my upper body down more so that makes sense. I forgot what the hip flick is.... You are correct the traffic limits me on how aggressive I can be with the throttle, on that course we can only pass on the front and back straights. The course isn't that wide to begin with and yes it's not the best paved course but I go there because it's nice to work on specific skills. That was only my 2nd day there and now that I will be with levels 3-4 (basically intermediate) I can keep a little faster pace and adjust things instead of catching traffic all of the time.