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I Thought I Understood That, Until....

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Per Cobie's request for most interesting topic (and Hotfoot to judge) I submit this:

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Ha, ha, ha, ha!

Actually, to get back on topic, I thought about a thread of things that you thought you understood until you found out that you didn't. And perhaps you can include how you arrived at your newfound understanding.

 

I'll start first:

I thought I understood what it means by early/late apex. It pricked my consciousness when I was having a conversation with my wife and we were talking about the definition of "apex" and when I couldn't adequately define it to my own satisfaction, I realized that I had some missing information on it. It had been playing in my subconscious for a couple days afterwards, but I hadn't yet taken action. Previously, I had been reading a motorcycling book and the author was talking about motorcycle vs car lines. The conversation made me to realize that I had always thought they were the same. He also talked about late apexes. It began to dawn on me a bit after this conversation.

 

I tried working it out and so used a mental picture of an overhead shot of both vehicles and that's when I realized what an early apex looks like and WHY it causes the corner exit to run wide on a motorcycle and that it was essentially what I had always done without realizing or understanding it.

 

Since it was cold out, there was no way for me to practice my newfound understanding to test the truth of it, so I did so in my car. I found that it was easy to see. I decided that I was going to work on this my next motorcycle ride out.

 

I went out yesterday. Not many turns, but I found it easy to forget that I was supposed to practice my new understanding. Another good thing is that I have found something new to work on....until my school, that is....WOOHOOO!

 

Someone else's turn to share a new understanding.

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That term can get misunderstood, as it has different definitions. One is simply the high point of an arc. As used in riding...the closest point. One could also call it "his" or "her" apex.

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:D:D :D :lol::lol::lol:

In the game of one-upmanship, you win.

 

Got a motorcycling story?

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No one understands women (no man at least). It's a changing goal post...

 

TM, no motorcycling story?

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I thought I understood apex orientation, but in a school not long ago, my L4 consultant used one of the new iPad visual aid tools and I discovered an aspect of the technique I wasnt using and it allowed me to enter AO corners faster and with more confidence.

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Ok Mr. Chief Riding Coach Worldwide, nut sure how long you wanted to run the contest, but I choose this as the most interesting new topic, lots of opportunities for discussion on this one.

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OK, Hotfootie...fire away...what was the thing you noticed with AO that was new? You might have to explain AO if it's not clear to all.

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I was waiting for the sight picture to come into view - the 'waiting' part was the problem, instead of actively observing the changing perspective coming into the corner, I was a bit stuck visually on the apex as I waited to see the right moment to turn. It only happened when I was consciously "trying" to use apex orientation versus doing it automatically or using a chosen turn point reference point. I was trying too hard, too much effort, on a certain corner and couldn't seem to make the technique work there. But with some good coaching - Connor on track and Keith as my L4 consultant -  it got sorted out. :)

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Sorry I was trying to be funny on the internet, and I basically just put the thread on life support :(

 

Um  for starters I thought I understood motorcycling in general until I took Level 1 and found out I basically didn't know squat 

I also thought I knew how expensive Club Racing was going to be,  but I was pretty far off on that one as well, :blink::blink:

Unfortunately I don't have any nice specific examples like Hotfoot's that come to mind specifically related to Motorcycling  

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10 hours ago, tmckeen said:

I also thought I knew how expensive Club Racing was going to be,  but I was pretty far off on that one as well, :blink::blink: 

HA HA HA, OMG  me too. Entry fees are practically nothing compared to the massive "everything else" costs. :/

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Years ago RW mag did a whole series on racing and the costs.  Wonder what the cheapest series/bike would be to race...tires are still the biggie I think.

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The Cheapest has got to be the Ultra-Light-Weight stuff,  

 

The less power you make, the longer the tires last, the cheaper the racing 

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I'd been pretty sure that was the case, just wondered if there were any offsetting factors I wasn't considering.  

Talking with guys recently about what it takes to even have a halfway decent national level bike (superstock even), and it was...wow, more than I thought.  

Years ago, the guys were racing the 250 GP 2-stroke bikes, and the costs seemed they were quite a bit less.  But...those bikes really did require someone that knew how to tune them, in particular get the carburetion right.  The price for getting it way wrong was high...but I think the bikes were cheaper to maintain overall, thus cheaper to race.

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For club racing the ninja 250/300 spec class has got to be the most affordable option. Tires last a long time, don't use much gas, limited modifications allowed, low maintenance bike. 

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Used to be so years ago, but wasn't sure if that still held true.  Some of the old-timers also talked about racing the 2-strokes, and how cheap those were...but that's in another thread too.

CF

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