Spaghetti Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I shot my first GoPro video using a HERO3 mounted on the tail of my bike. I am a bit disappointed about the shaking of the camera, in facts anything above 60mph is unwatchable. Here's an example during the warm up lap at Thunderbolt: https://youtu.be/zXmRmhT1jrU Any idea how the camera should be mounted on the tail of the bike? I used a sticker mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckeen Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 the vibration in the bike and from the wind is really unavoidable, keeping the connecting pieces between the mount and the camera to a minimum helps. Have you tried using You-tubes stabilize option ? makes the videos much smoother, but can cause the picture to distort slightly in some places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Not youtube, but I'm looking at ProDrenalin and Adobe Warp Stabilizer. Will post the results when I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchase Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I have seen worse. Heck I have filmed worse myself. I have found in my own personal experience the heavier the mount the better the video. I use RAM ball mounts that are solid mounted to the bike. Here's a photo of the camera on one of my bikes. The camera is attached to mount that goes into the steering head bolt. It's also useful for mounting other things such as GPS's. For the rear RAM sells a ball mount that can be attached to a license plate bolt or another fastener. Amazon has a pretty good selection of RAM mount stuff. You can buy the pieces individually to build your own mounting system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I see what you mean. Like Tyler, I have shot much worse video myself using a ContourHD1080 camera. My finding was that it was due to the fiberglass fairing vibrating a lot and the camera was attached using a suction cup to the vibrating fairing. I was thinking that maybe that the fairing was vibrating could be your problem. Is the fairing well affixed to the frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Looks like the state of the art for prosumer mounts is the FeiYu G4 ($350): http://www.feiyu-tech.com/G4-en.php. Another prototype you can get for $200: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/slick-stabilizer-a-motorized-gopro-steadicam#/story As for stabilizer software, I read that iMovie does a good job. Adobe Premiere Warp is the best. I'm going to try tonight and show some before/after with iMovie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 T, actually the youtube stabilizer is not bad at all. The picture above 50mph is much better. There is still shaking at the apex but I guess that's too much to handle for any software. Same clip after correction: https://youtu.be/qWM-MUcb-pc. BTW, I wonder why I have so much tail shaking in the corners at less than 60mph (and less than 45 degrees angle, I don't remember dragging the knee in any turn during that lap). I guess the gyroscopic forces and acceleration at the same time? Or could it be something with my setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Spaghetti, How is the camera attached to the tail unit? I have found that the suction cup & arm I use makes the video very prone to vibrations. I will be doing some tests, but right now my gut feeling is that the better you can lock the camera down (ideally with a flat mount on the fairing or all the way to the seat unit subframe), the less vibration you'll have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmith12 Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Did you use the vibration damper that looks like a nose plug? It's normally white and comes with the mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I used a WoCase 360 Degrees sticker mount, which is not very rigid, so it might increase the shacking. I will try with a standard GoPro sticker mount and the white rubber. Also found this vibration plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I just watched Dylan Gray's lap of SIlverstone, which is filmed with a host of GoPro's. In some of the shots you can see the other cameras (like in the attached screenshot) and it looks very much like that they're using their sticker mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Nylox was MotoGP cam before, I guess GoPro has taken over. I can see one camera mounted on the bike tail and pointing at Dylan's back. Would be curious to see the other mounts and if they processed the footage with a stabilizer. Picture is very stable. I just finished processing my test clip with iMovie stabilizer at 50%. It does a good job removing the vertical shake but doesn't seem to do as well for horizontal shaking. It's more apparent on the straight before the last turn at 1:50. Still better than the YouTube stabilizer: https://youtu.be/QbsSKWVyXSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckeen Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 They have professional level post production so that helps, I'm gonna guess they use some kind of stabilizing software that reduces the FOV as part of the process to eliminate the flicker and distortion you get with the YouTube or iMovie one. Reduce the visible part of the frame and you can shift them into alignment without skewing the picture to make it fit I'd also be very surprised if the cameras weren't solid mounted to frame and other hard parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drioannis Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I have a GoPro and found out that the shorter the bracket, I get less vibration, which is logic. Even if I put it on the tank cover which is not solid and it does vibrate I have more than acceptable results even in very bumpy tracks. If you want even better results then you should go for image stabilized action camera like Sony and no more hard shacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchase Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Have to agree. The lower the center of mass of the camera the less the mount has to deal with shakiness. Mounting it to hard stuff helps too. Here's a video I on-board a friends bike using a RAM steering head mount just like the photo I posted earlier. He's going a bit slower than normal because it's 48 degrees out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'd also be very surprised if the cameras weren't solid mounted to frame and other hard parts You mean screw-mounted, rather than consumer sticky mounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I have a GoPro and found out that the shorter the bracket, I get less vibration, which is logic. Even if I put it on the tank cover which is not solid and it does vibrate I have more than acceptable results even in very bumpy tracks. Yes, thanks for the tip. I figured the tail fairing has more shaking leverage than the triple-clamp, similar to what you say for the mounting bracket. Nice sound work, what camera and software did you use for the lap time/tracking layout? I thought all action-cams have hardware stabilization. Is it Sony better than Gopro at this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Here's a video I on-board a friends bike using a RAM steering head mount just like the photo I posted earlier. Wow, picture is very good. 60fps seems to do a huge difference. Which camera did he use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchase Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Here's a video I on-board a friends bike using a RAM steering head mount just like the photo I posted earlier. Wow, picture is very good. 60fps seems to do a huge difference. Which camera did he use? That's the same Contour +2 camera that I use on my own bike. Just moved it on to his for a session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drioannis Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have a GoPro and found out that the shorter the bracket, I get less vibration, which is logic. Even if I put it on the tank cover which is not solid and it does vibrate I have more than acceptable results even in very bumpy tracks. Yes, thanks for the tip. I figured the tail fairing has more shaking leverage than the triple-clamp, similar to what you say for the mounting bracket. Nice sound work, what camera and software did you use for the lap time/tracking layout? I thought all action-cams have hardware stabilization. Is it Sony better than Gopro at this? No I believe only Sony has the image stabilization for the moment. I used dashware for the track and time layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Speaking of Dashware (which I really like), I have gotten confirmed from GoPro/Dashware support that DashWare doesn't support 4K video at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Update: I borrowed my friends GoPro again today. This time, I mounted it using GoPro's "flat adhesive mount" and it did WONDERS to the quality of the video - the shaking was virtually all gone! I'll upload a small sample when I have the time. Today's Room For Improvement is to use a slightly higher Quick-release buckle so my steering damper doesn't take up ~1/3rd of the picture Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 So after reading @Drloannis comments about the as200v I had to try one. This is a video using the same mount than the others with an adapter gopro-to-sony. Few comments: - stabilizer works very well at low speed, after 50mph I don't see any improvement compared to gopro - picture quality is excellent on the as200 - the wind noise reduction filter cuts the engine sound so avoid - the mount I'm using has a hard rubber base which might wobble the camera, I'll have to try a rigid plastic mount https://youtu.be/slYixXCrdkQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 One more video with HERO3 and AS200V side by side. The steady shot does help a bit...: https://youtu.be/ah4QhpcZfP4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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