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i would say that is a perfect example of how a bike is predictable and stable until the rider gets on, or in this case once he gets off.

i think that answers everything perfectly, to think passed that maybe over thinkin it.

i dont feel rubbed wrong, heck im qurious too(in the initial question). i just tink that the discussion will run circles regardless. in order to answer the question you have to pick one rider to rrun both theories and find the conclusion. everything would need to be exactly the same on both runs. but even then you are getting a biased feeling because it was him doing the runs. i think the key is that riding is an art, with style developed from techniques. to confine to one theory i think would limit anyone. correct me if im wrong or no where close, ive only read the books a thousand times but never went to the school or been on a track. just enjoying the discussion

i wear one for the simple comforting thought that if i hit something backwards i got a lil more there that might save me. i thnk it is an absolute for riding the street.

i think its a combo of a quick knee pop and one of the two ways you mentioned. wouldnt "diggin" in with your knee cause a pivot of some sort or lifting of the rear(once front is gone)?

are we talking racing the clock or humans? does it matter what "methodology" is better or faster? if you cant addopt both and decide for your self, what is the use of the question? it just seems to me they are on a lvl that allows them to push those techniques closer to the apex han what we think is possible. of course to them it is just "brake later, get on the gas sooner". i hope my novice out look doesnt seem to ignorant, and i hope the last question i asked didnt seem jackassy.

bout five years steady on the road with intervals between bikes lastin at most 6 mnths. the list: x6(chinese mini bike) x7(same) x18(") x22(") ysr50 rs125 aprilia ninja 500 yzf600r fzr400 fzr 400/600 hybrid gsxr600(owned weeks turned out to be hot ) xr80 pitster 125 derbi gpr 72cc

okay so not every track is safer than a road

wouldnt life be great if we could live on the track. ive never been to a track, but i can imagine how much more i would be allowed to do with the added safety. but how can one afford to ride track days enough to fulfill the addiction? side note tho, i have never been more mad in my life than when i almost clipped a rider that was over the center line at somewhat full lean. i swerved, he sat up and almost went straight. i was mad that i almost killed someone, i was mad that it would have been someone i called brother/sister, it scared me cuz my kid was in the car too. i think its like this, do what feels comfortable but the safety of those around you and your self should be top priority. with great power comes great responsibility

Oz, i feel ya bro.i have crashed lotsbut the most recent has got me a little puckered when riding. i high sided due to a radiator overflow leak. i bought the bike 15 min before the incident, as i left the fellows house i entered the highway and made my way home. i exited the highway and entered my nieghborhood, there is a turn just before my street that i love cuz it is constant radius that drops elevation on exit. i got everything right on entry as i cracked the throttle i felt the rear slip smoothly and decided to continue rolling smoothly on(learned the hard way from previous crash). i realized that traction wasnt going to return when the slip increased to a slide, tried to lift the bike but failed as the slide was too fast for me to deal with. bike hit full lock and tossed me over, right as the turn opened and dropped. felt like i went twice as high as i probably did. i hit the ground and slid down hill with the bike following, waiting for us to stop so we can get outta the road. after i got her on her legs i looked at the rear tire and it was soaked, like black glass, in radiator fluid. i have fixed all damages aswell as ripped the whole bike down looking for other gremlins(live and learn always check everylil detail on a used bike). but since then i have little confidence in countersteering and cracking the throttle with a consistant roll thru the turn. the tires are ###### on the bike right now so i am goin to get new ones and go work a big parking lot to try and brake that idea that the bike will slide all the way everytime. knowing what went wrong helps a lot, but your brain does this to teach you that hot burns and sharp cuts, if you can stop that seed from growing, youll be back to your old self. cobie, i totally agree with kieth's idea of a "walk thru". when skating you check the terrain see what yer dealing with, you walk the track on track days(im guessing), would make sense to ride the road first and watch for stationary hazards. p.s. sorry that was a long post

just a thought, body position is only correct when it allows you to follow bike technology. for example mick i would think was dealing with the awesome(lol) handling of the nsr,not that i know personally but have read much, and remember the bike not being fond of changin direction. suppose the crossed up style was to keep the monster from acting out, perhaps it didnt handle as smooth with a lower gravity so he had to keep some wieght on the front. who knows, think what im getting at is body position is personal to the turn,bike,setup, rider and so on. to worry bout what anothers body position looks like in comparison to yours is focusing on the wrong thing. which i would think would come back to bullets's statement of, needing a coach with experiance in critiquing(sp) ones riding style, to watch you(in general) and let you know what is holding you back.

great article lots of brain food.i have been noticing motogp riders hangin off farther on exit lately as well. at first i was like "what the.." looks like they were falling off(noticed it alot with stoner and pedrosa). very interesting how form follows function. i would also like to say that i love watching older styles of riders. it reminds me of watching different proskaters of the 70's and 80's. listening to kieth explain each ones riding style is like hearing my brother explain the playful/aggressive riding style of tony alva(ala randy mamola). or watching the clean technical style of tony hawk(wayne rainey). i always felt(as many have stated) that jet pilots and roadracers were a kin. after reading a small bit kieth said in twist of the wrist 1 concerning timing/coordination an its similarities to skate boarding, i began noticing some of the similarities as well. when i use to carve the ditches by my house, you would want to pull a fast cutback and the only way to do it efficiently was to get low and hang off the board. sometimes so low your seat pocket would drag too and if you were fast enough you didnt even hang onto the board. anways i think that, is what draws me to dragging my knee, no image or wants but the feel of carving the corner.

trackapedia?is it a website? i would like to get into track riding and maybe even race at club lvl one day. i hear some places pay with track time if you do corner work for them. sounds like a good route to start with. i cant seem to find the extra money to pay for transport, gas, spare parts,tires, etc etc. ill figure it out someday, i would like that comradery that comes with racing, testing ones skill against another's, but having that respect for each other. few get to experiance that edge of controlled danger,man i want that. plus a cool track avitar of myself would be keen ps please excuse any spelling errs that may occour. my key board has issues

hello all, my name is Noah from Austin Texas. ive been riding seriously fer a little over 5 yrs now, all road riding. the passion came after i looped out a mini bike and realized"i should figure out what im doin, and get some gear while im at it" played around with the small bikes for most the time, then graduated to a ninja 500 had a blast on that. unfotrtunately usual machismo got the best of me and i bought a yzf600r off the cragslist, it wasnt my best investment but i loved it. we had a lil boy named king and finances went to more important matters,and the bike was not on that list. so all motorcycle exspenses were cut and there she sat in the parking lot at my appartments,well until some ahole decided to light it on fire. cops chalked it up to random arson or vandalisim and since no insurance on the bike no money(lesson learned). i dealt with it well at first, then depression hit and withdraws followed. luckily a family member came up in the world(made some money) and decided to loan me some cash. wasnt as much as one of us would hope but, i was patient and found something that would do the trick til money came along and i could get something better/bigger. theres mor ebut its late and im tired or tying and want to go read some articles on here. heres a pic of my bike

Hi Skin, Great to hear that, and I'll forward this to Keith. We don't get many Derbi's here (can't recall the last time I saw one in fact). Hope we do get you at a school soon, but the books are great, and the new DVD is really worth it. Where are you from? Best, Cobie hey cobie, yeah not many derbis much anywhere i suppose lol. its hard to get good rubber fer the year i have because the wheels are 16in, but i work with what i have and keep in mind that not too long ago people were doin more with less than what we have these days. im from austin texas, home of my hero kevin schwantz(wayne is also my hero). i dont get much time to get on the puter srry if my responses are far apart. cheers i will up load my pics of the bike later tonite. i got a video of it but havent looked into the rules of posting vids on here, but its on you tube under derbi gpr50 thnx guys catchyas on the flippyflop