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  1. OK, let's have a look at this, humor me for moment. Let's imagine a situation with truly no references. Flat piece of asphalt, no markings, skid or oil marks, 50 miles square. One is dropped in the center, say Scottie beamed you there. Would that be a little disorienting? How does one even know he is on a road if there isn't some kind of reference? C He's on asphalt. Kidding. I can still remember my first trackday, and think about it often when I watch the beginners tooling around the track. Granted, if a person rides around the track (I couldn't have told you what an RP was when I first started, and didn't look for points but just rode around the track) and one is shown RP's, the one who has RP's will be faster after just a session. An RP would have to be defined to continue any discussion to clarify whether it's needed or not. I'm starting to read that someone even considers a corner an RP. In big sweeping corners I just get my head into it, and have nothing to focus on. I don't have an RP to speak of. I can't remember where it's at, but somewhere in TOTW 2, I've read that abandoning RP's is done. I can't remember where it's at, so I can't clarify it's meaning, but I couldn't read anything about finding new RP's, just that ditching them is acceptable. A motorcycle can turn without an RP, and it can get around a track without them. I don't even know if I could ride a new track without searching for RP's anymore, but I do know that I ride new roads without knowing RP's, and am able to make it to the end. I think there are riders who look for a complete picture as the reference instead of specific individual points; more along the lines of "when I see this picture, I make my turn". Example on a curving freeway ramp with guardrails, you may remember from experience that at a certain place, you are able to see far enough ahead to know whether there are stopped cars, and you know at that point you can roll on the gas. That may seem a lot different from using a little hole in the pavement, but it still works as a reference to define WHERE you are relative to the rest of the world. Another example, you may know you are in the "middle" of your lane. Without the painted lines as a reference, how would you know you were in the middle? The paint becomes a reference. In a broad sense, you can use anything that does the job of telling you where you are, as long as you can see it and it isn't moving around (like another rider). And of course it has to have some meaning to you - like "Oh, there's First National Bank, that means I'm halfway home from work". That's a lot different from turning on a X mark on the track, but to me, it still fits the definition of a reference point. Personally, I find that as I get to know a track better and better, the specific small reference points become less necessary to me because I now am familiar with a whole picture of the turn and could still make my turn point even if the pavement flaw or skid mark I used to use went away. I think maybe that is what's meant by "abandoning RPs". Definitely when I am learning a track OR trying to make changes in my riding, very specific reference points are a great confidence tool because I know FOR SURE that I am EXACTLY where I should be, not runnning wide, etc., ESPECIALLY if some of the turns are similar looking.
  2. OK, so maybe it IS about being at the front of the race. And YES, I AM still whining about not having enough horsepower, does that ever stop? I saw that other thread about 7lb equalling approx 1 horespower. If race gas gives you, say, 3 extra horsepower, that beats the heck out of losing 21 pounds, I'm changing my New Year's resolution! And hey, how come no one answered my question about leaded fuel, is it a dumb question? Or is it just that the answers are environmentally irresponsible?
  3. Stu, This is really helpful, thanks. One point that still confuses me - isn't ultimate 4.3 a leaded race fuel, and is that OK to run in my stock bike? VP Fuel website says 4.2 is a drop in for pump gas (and isn't that all unleaded now?), but I thought running leaded fuel would damage the catalytic converter. Also, with the current available race gas, can it remain in the bike for a week or two or does it gum things up or cause any other problems if it sits in there? Incidentally, in my case it isn't about needing the extra HP to be at the front of the race - it's about getting that little extra advantage over my riding buddies, on occasions where it's REALLY necessary. Thanks for the info!
  4. When I was at the 2 day camp recently Keith said no, you can't flick it in to fast. The mistake he said people make is, they don't stop counter steering soon enough and literally drive themselves into the ground. So it is a steering error not a matter of throwing the bike into the corner to fast. I was told the same thing at school, but with the caveat "assuming good traction and warm tires." So of course you don't want to try super-aggressive quick turns in the rain or on your first lap out! Presumably a handful of front brake would limit your quick turn, too. One thing that was a huge "AHA" moment for me about quick turn was when my coach asked me if I was consciously stopping the push on the bars when I reached my desired lean angle. Once I started paying attention to that, my turns got much cleaner and I was able to quick turn with more confidence.
  5. Oh, WONDERFUL, this fixed it for me, THANK YOU, it is SO much faster and easier to navigate this way. Incidentally, this is somethig that just changed on me one day, I never changed any options to make it happen, not sure why it occurred. Thanks for getting it straightened out, I really appreciate it.
  6. Whoa, THAT LOOKS LIKE FUN! Is it street legal? If you haven't registered it yet, you might find that to be a challenge - I have a YSR50 that's an import and they wanted some sort of manufacturer stamp on it that says it's rated for "highway use". My frame came from Japan, and didn't say that, so it took some work to get it registered, even though it met all other requirements. I brought a stack of supporting documentation (from 1988, the year of manufacture) and finally got it through. Regarding insurance, as long as you have a VIN number, I bet you could just pick a bike that is similar in engine displacement size that is street legal and tell them it is "similar" to that. They might just be looking for a classification. I would not call it a superbike (usually 600cc and the rate would be too high, they are high risk) nor would I call it a pocket bike or minibike since those are generally not street legal. Maybe you could classify it as something similar to a 200cc dual sport like the Suzuki DR200, or better yet call it a scooter. If you JUST need insurance, but aren't trying to get it street legal, consider registering it for "off-road" use - it's cheaper and that registration might help you get the insurance. Good luck, and let me know where you got the thing, it looks like a blast. BTW, if you can't get it registered for the street, look into local go-kart tracks, sometimes they allow mini or pocket bikes to run and it's a great way to play with the bike.
  7. 2 - I couldn't find a profile option to change it, and also if I use the same login, wouldn't the profile follow the login name, not the PC? On one PC I see within a topic a long list of posts that are all open and readable, but on the other I see only the first post then an outline of titles and have to click each one to open it to read it. This happens on both lo and hi fi version, BTW.
  8. Possibly this topic has already been covered in this forum, but I didn't find it so here goes: What's the deal on race gas? Is it worth anything to use it? I have asked people around the track and gotten such a wide variety of answers that I'm more confused than ever. My bike is stock, and I've been running pump gas unleaded 91 octane. I can buy 100 or even 110 octane unleaded pump gas, but I'm in California so who knows what is added to it. At the track there's a fuel guy that sells mysterious and expensive cans of stuff labeled with numbers and letters. One day he told me I could run leaded race gas and get 2-3 more hp (sorely needed on my bike) but I think he must have thought I had a straight race bike with no emmission control stuff on it; doesn't it do bad things to your catalytic converter to run leaded gas? Someone else told me that since my Power Commander is mapped for 91 octane, I would get no benefit from higher octane fuel unless I remapped it. Others have suggested that it takes even more modification than that to get the benefit. And I've also heard that race gas simply isn't worth the expense. But, judging by the smell coming from a lot of bikes on the track, a lot of people ARE using it, presumably they have a reason... Can anybody clear this up for me?
  9. I still haven't got this figured out, still looking for the answer. Per Stuman I checked my browser on both PCs - I am using Internet Explorer 7 on both of them, so don't think that's the problem, and it appears to me that all settings are the same on both computers. I don't notice any differences on any other sites. It is SO much nicer to be able to just scroll down and read the posts one after the other and not have to click back and forth to open each one. Since Jaybird sees it as multithreaded on his PC, now I'm wondering how many others see it that way and don't know it can be viewed differently. Kevin, any ideas? Who else can I ask?
  10. Let's see, the tire guy says I need race tires and tire warmers. The suspension guy says I need an Ohlins suspension. The fuel guy says I need race gas, my mechanic says I need more horsepower, my riding buddies say I need more track time, and I think I need more school days. So, it looks like to me what it takes is... MONEY!!
  11. I have a forum question. This is posted in the wrong area, but I posted it in the "new user" area weeks ago and no one answered, so I'm putting it HERE where all the action is! I have 2 PCs, and on one of them the forum displays as a sequential list of messages, so once I enter a topic I can just scroll down and read the posts one after the other. On the other PC, when I open a topic, I can only see the original post, then all replies appear in an outline format below, arranged in what I guess you'd call a multi-threaded format, arranged in chains of replies. On that PC, I have to click on the post I want to read to open it, then scroll down and click on the next one to open that, etc. I find that format much slower and harder to use; how can I change that? I have looked through lots of settings but just couldn't find it. Anybody know?
  12. Green bike in Vegas. Also I was wearing a big "WOW, this is FUN!" grin the whole time.
  13. So Hotfoot, how is your riding doing these days, want to share? CF Oh, and just in case you don't remember me, I was the one on the GREEN bike, it had some numbers on the front... and I was going REALLY FAST.
  14. So Hotfoot, how is your riding doing these days, want to share? CF I am a legend in my own mind. I'm sure with about 20 more hp I'd be kicking butt and taking names... OK, seriously, I have been working hard at it and my last two school days were full of huge breakthroughs, I simply can't say enough great things about CSS. For the first time ever I feel like my BIKE is holding me back, which is a point I never thought I'd reach. I wouldn't be anywhere near this confidence level without all the great coaching - Keith's books are fantastic and I refer to them all the time, but nothing compares to actually attending a school, it's amazing how much can be gained in a single day. But... you were there... how do YOU think my riding is doing these days? <asked with fear and trembling!>
  15. You asked if V nose is better - I have a V nose horse trailer and a standard enclosed motorcycle trailer. The V nose trailer seems to me to haul a little steadier, and although I haven't checked for differences in gas mileage, it certainly FEELS as though it has less wind resistance, when accelerating hard or in windy conditions. The V nose would give you some storage area in front of the bikes (presumably) but it is a weird-shaped area which might make it challenging to use. But honestly I wouldn't go far out of my way to get one style or the other. I'd definitely get the ramp, make sure it is easy to lift, and interior lights, and dual-axle, and interior height tall enough for you to stand up comfortably. Get, or add, lots of places to tie down STUFF, I have folding rings in the floor and on the walls, but E trak is probably better. Make sure you have a roof vent. Windows are great for light and ventilation but may pose a security risk, since someone can peek in and see there are bikes in there. Make sure whatever chocks you use hold the front tire snug, so the wheel can't turn left or right, it makes a really big difference in how tight you have to tie down the bike. One thing I DON'T like about my current setup - my bike chocks are at the very front (built into the floor, which is nice) and I have no room up there for cabinets. As a result, the bikes have to go in FIRST and come out LAST, and that's a pain because when you arrive at the track it would be nice to pull the bikes out for tech right away, and unload the rest later. Also when we get home, EVERYTHING has to come out to get the bikes unloaded, so we can't leave the trailer partially packed. It would be better to have SOME room in front of the bikes for cabinets and storage, although I think you do want the bikes in front of the axles for better weight distribution and trailer handling. A side door is really nice for quick tie-down checks or to get to easier access to stuff in the front of the trailer, and for ventilation. Something I WISH I had was folding racks to hold gas cans - anybody know a source for that? I want them to fold against the wall when not in use. Good luck in your search.
  16. I'll second that. Persistence triumphs when talent gets lazy. Oh, these are both excellent answers!! I guess natural talent has its limits. OK, I am re-inspired to keep working on my riding, thank you both.
  17. Let's see, I know I'd rather be skilled than brave... so I guess I'd rather be smooth than fast. Plus "smooth" has applications in other areas of life. Question back at ya - which would you rather have, persistence or natural talent?
  18. Is it possible that the front suspension is packing, driving the nose down and giving you the effect of a hook turn? Maybe you could try stiffening the front compression and/or setting a quicker rebound in front to see it that helps.
  19. I have some near closed, relatively safe corners by my house that I was just playing around with, and have to say that not being on some kind of throttle (not under acceleration) is pretty unsettling. That's when I was running wide, and was scared to get on the throttle in the corner. I'm going to try it while I'm warming up my tires (slow couple of first laps) in a couple of weeks after working on it on these corners. They're nowhere near as fast as on the track, but freaky none-the-less. Another point to consider here is bike setup, especially at a more intermediate pace. If the bike is set up to turn in really quickly (a little low in front, for example) it can feel unstable to turn in while totally off the gas. I like a quick steering bike, but I find myself keeping a maintenance throttle through slow or sharp turns (prior to, and through, the turn-in) when riding at a slower pace in sighting laps or on the street, because it makes the bike feel a lot less twitchy. My point is that if you are not used to going all the way off throttle for turns, or if you are at a relatively low entry speed, it probably WILL feel really weird at first . It could even cause you to run wide - consider this scenario, you try an off throttle turn-in at your accustomed (maintenance-throttle) turn point. Only this time, your bike turns in SUPER quick so you hit an earlier apex... now you are wider on exit than before. Yuck, your turn in felt scary, maybe you leaned farther than you expected, maybe you had to stand it up a little to miss the inside curb. Yup, that felt lousy. But, with a higher entry speed it might have worked beautifully, becuase it is harder to turn the bike at a higher speed, so you get that same maintenance throttle arc but with a faster entry, therefore ultilmately a faster exit, does that make sense? For me, being completely off throttle didn't totally makes sense until I reached a pace where the bike was stable for a quick turn AND I was going fast enough that it was difficult to turn the bike, so I really needed to be off throttle to get it turned to make my apex. Racer's point helps clarify it for me, too - (hope I am paraphrasing you properly, dude) he mentioned that at race pace, for a sharp turn, you would normally be on the BRAKES prior to the turn, so you would definitely be off throttle (and possibly trailing brakes) right up until your turn point. Certainly a series of turns that are progressively faster would be a different situation, you might be on throttle a little or a lot through the whole thing - if you have an 'easy' turn in, so you don't NEED to get off the gas for a quick turn, you wouldn't, right?
  20. I agree that hydration is key - I think it is a much bigger factor than fitness. I have been to schools & track days when I was very fit, and others where I was very out of shape, after recovering from injury. When out of shape I didn't really get tired, but I did notice my lack of quad strength (I got really sore from moving side to side on the bike) and that my neck got sore from looking up and forward when low on the bike. So my opinion on this is that fitness ALWAYS helps you to feel better and have more stamina, but being rested, hydrated and relaxed on the bike makes more of a difference than overall muscle strength; even at my very best fitness level dehydration will wipe me out (and ruin my concentration) in three sessions. And I've seen plenty of guys that were in great shape shaking like a leaf at the end of a session, tension can exhaust anyone. I can't resist jumping in on the discussion about female riders. Personally, I don't think body strength is as much of an issue as the social factors and the boldness (read: testosterone) factor. I'm a girl, Level 4 rider, relatively small. So here's my perspective - the sportbikes and most dirt bikes are tall and heavy for a girl, this made getting into the sport intitially a little tougher. Full leathers for ladies are hard to find, especially if knee sliders are required, this makes open track days tougher to get into initially. Social pressure is significant - I am a mom with a young child and most non-riders think it is crazy and/or irresponsible for me to own a bike and especially to ride on a racetrack. My family HATES it. Other social factors to consider? There's not as much incentive for a girl to start riding - a guy on a bike looks cool, maybe can pick up chicks, that's probably a good incentive to get a street bike at a young age (or maybe middle age, too!). It isn't quite the same for girls - generally, a girl would have to hop on the back or else look for the rare dude that would ride behind her! All of these things are improving all the time, of course... except for my family. Another big factor is boldness. I am willing to ride fast, but I am almost never willing to fight another rider for my corner. I don't know if this is a social behavior (women are taught to be cooperative more than competitive) or a boldness/fear factor but it's a FACTOR, for sure - it's the primary reason I don't race. When I watch male riders I suspect that sometimes they "see red" and the desire to win overpowers almost all else; guys, is this what happens? In any case I see that my husband is willing to ride a lot closer to his limits than I am to mine, for sure in a head-to-head challenge he lays it all out. I am very competitive but I rarely throw caution to the wind. As far as strength goes - well, I've never had any trouble steering my bike. Loading the sucker in the back of a pickup is a challenge, though. Just my perspective, I'd love to hear what others have to say.
  21. Hi, I'm not brand new to the forum but I am a little confused about navigating on the board and this seems like the place to post the question. I just noticed in the last few days that when I view a topic, I see the original post at the top, then below I see an outline of various responses. What I USED to see was a long sequential list of posts, with no outline. Did I change something in my preferences to cause that to happen, or was there a change in how the board is presented? I have tried clicking the "Options" button at the upper right but I can't tell what that does - it just seems to jump to the bottom of the page. I actually prefer seeing the long lists of posts so I can scroll straight down instead of having to jump back and forth with the outline. If someone can clue me in about how to change that back, I'd be grateful! Thanks! Hotfoot
  22. Gee, I hate to throw fuel on THIS fire, but I have to agree with avih here. Racer, I do think you have been a little hard on Meat (based on this thread only - you reference others that I have not read), and I don't think you can in good conscience really claim that you haven't attacked him at all - for example, I might take being called "nasty" as a compliment, but not everyone would. Regardless of who started it, you are certainly capable of being diplomatic enough to calm it down, if you want to. Otherwise, he'll just go away - and is that really the goal? My concern here is that this is a great discussion board and the Superbike School staff are great people, I wouldn't want posters to stop posting or spend hours trying to create a post that is impossible to refute, in order to avoid feeling attacked in the responses. I notice that the posts by CSS staff are always polite, friendly, and encouraging, and I think this is the standard by which we should all judge our responses to those that are brave enough or curious enough to post their questions here. On another note, I think it's pretty damn funny that we have a bunch of engineers here arguing such a complex set of physics problems. My college memories of Dynamics are fading, but didn't we use to always assume a spherical rider and a frictionless track?
  23. Meat, First of all, please don't go away, it's great to see activity and alternate viewpoints on the forum; I totally understand your reaction and sometimes the discussions do go a bit awry, but this is a competitive crowd, it's bound to happen occasionally. I was lurking and not posting, too, for exactly the same reason (I'm an engineer, too, incidentally), but I recently decided to give it another try, and I hope you'll stick around too. Second, you had a question about weighting the outside peg - you made a comment that 'putting your knee into the tank will only lessen the force on the outside peg' - and I see your point, but I also see how it could sound contrary to someone's riding experience - it did to me, at first. Something to keep in mind, is that if you use the calf raise it is possible to lock your knee into the tank and then actually PUSH down on the outside peg with your foot, using your calf strength to do so (and I have to do that, to really lock my knee in tight, plus the higher pressure on the peg helps keep my foot from sliding off the peg). I am not making any statement about how that affects the bike (presumably not at all), just adding the consideration that you can push harder on the outside peg without shifting your weight, which may FEEL like adding weight to the peg. In reading this thread I started thinking about BP and at first I thought I put a lot of weight on that outside peg but then realized I am PUSHING on it, not standing on it. So I am increasing the pressure on the peg (but not the weight) whenever I push my knee into the tank. Does that make sense?
  24. Well, thanks, racer, I appreciate that. Comments like that might get me lurking less and posting more! It's cool for me to remember the AHA! moment I had at the school (as I tried to describe above). I've had a lot of those moments at CSS, the terrific coaching makes all the difference in the world.
  25. racer, One sensation that I have in slow corners is that I feel like I can not lean the bike as far as in a fast corner. For some reason the slower speed gives me the feeling that I don't have enough momentum to actually keep the bike up. This is just a sensation that I get when trying to turn in to slow corners, almost like a sensation that the bike will just fall over. Of course to be specific about turn 7 at Road Atlanta, I do tend to miss the apex and run wide out of the turn. And at times I do have to roll back on and then off of the throttle. I have two main RPs in the turn, just before the end of the outside curbing for the turn in and just passed the crest of the inside curbing for the apex. I don't really have any other RPs beyond that other than doing my best to stay focused at looking down the track instead of to the outside of the track. Thanks for your help. Also will you be at Barber on August 23 and 24? Shane Shane, You mention above that you don't feel like you have enough momentum to keep the bike up and it feels like it will fall over. I had the same experience, and at CSS when I mentioned this difficulty, the reponse was something like "Do you know what lean angle you are trying to achieve?" and "When you get there, how do you stop the bike from leaning over more?". So I realized there was a piece missing in my plan - I was not being precise about when to stop pushing on the bar- I was just trying to quick turn it over then hope for the best. So in the next session I rode with a specific, quick push on the bar, just enough to lean the bike the amount I wanted, then back on the throttle. Obviously it took a little experimentation to get right (and looking ahead is critical), but I was just not thinking about the fact that when you lean the bike, you can stop the lean or even stand it back up. Once I got more in control of this, I picked up my pace and that made it much easier, too, because the bike was harder to turn and felt more stable. Another, more minor point is to check out the profile of your tires - some tires seem to want to jump to a certain lean angle, which may feel too abrupt in a slower corner, and you may want to look at your suspension setup, if you have the front end a bit low or soft you may find that the bike steers very quickly, and if it's too touchy it can make you feel like a quick turn would dump you right over.
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