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I'll admit I haven't watched it yet, but based on just the thumbnail it reminds me of a problem with "Copy the Pros" logic I see from a lot of riders -- If you try to just brake harder you're likely going to outrun your eyes and, in a best case scenario, will end up over slowing. Yes pros brake harder but how they do that with confidence is a bunch of background things that are much more involved to learn.

I have no clue if this is spot on or not, but I presume the instructors know

I find clutchless downshifting to be a lot easier and smoother than using the clutch as the bike will auto blip (rev) to the exact rpm to match the speed. Haven't tried it in the higher rpm ranges at the track yet but hopefully will be the same (won't harm the bike) as I can put my attention into more important things like braking, throttle control and my line.

Hi, New member here, from Melbourne. I have been riding for a few years and recently upgraded to an R1 after owning two R6s. Just booked the CSS level 1 at PI next month hoping to get faster and safer on the track ! Here's my baby

I liked the sound of this too so thought I would try it out before writing. I like the idea of using the outside peg to 'triangulate' a point of the tyres' contact patches to the peg, to create a better idea of where the bike is placed, pretty much as El Colibri found. Also, that our awareness of using that outside peg should already be 'switched on' if we are pivot steering (which I assume we are). As it's new to me, I did find my attention was then slightly focussed at the rear of the bike, which then felt like it was playing catchup as the bike moves forward - perhaps this is just ho

Yes Vic, that helps a lot. Thanks for answering me. Take care.

Hi Olivier, Bienvenue! With regards to Pivot Steering/Power Steering; in Twist II video, the analogy of a fencer using their rear foot as a solid foundation describes the technique well. As Cobie said, it is more about "bracing" the lower body and engaging the core - not to push the body forwards, but to prevent it being pushed backwards when we add steering input. Hope that helps a little and maybe see you at school in the future!

On to something valuable is good, that's the way its been going since I started coaching way the hell back in 1976 🙂

Keith, Merlin here. You were my off track coach for all 3 single days at Barber this past May. I believe it was on day 2 - I was able to shave 5-7 seconds (can’t remember exactly to be honest but it was a huge gain) off my lap times with a single drill you assigned to me. if that helps with “credibility” 😉 The freed attention and consistency in my lines with outside peg/foot “felt like” a similar leap forward for me. I think you’re on to something valuable here.

El Colibri; First off, thanks for trying it out and comparing it with the other technique you'd done before at the school. That gives your observations more credibility for me. Yes please, do come back after your COTA tarck day and let me know but I'm willing to wager that if you can get it to work on the street, it'll that much easier there and the COTA apex 'curbing' is already pretty friendly. Keith

I just went for a great ride on my favorite local twisties and I'm super glad I checked into the forum this morning and saw this post before I headed out. I practiced knee to curb in one of my sessions at Barber this past May - indeed it was helpful. But as this thread inquires about tire vs eye position at apex, I found practicing/focusing on my outside foot to be tremendously helpful today. For me, it really tied together vision (keeping vision and attention well down the road) and precise tire placement through the corners. I played with both knee to curb drill and outside peg dril

Superb observation - it's been staring us all in the face, but only you noticed it 👌

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This thread started me thinking. Dangerous, I know. Some riders, very good ones, claim they just know where the tires are and can hit a tight apex. I can't but I'm happy for them. Knee to curb is workable, or, more descriptively, Knee Over Curb. 9 out of 10 students reap substantial improvements with that drill. AS Hofoot said, she can't see the tank on her small bike and if body position is good, with head low and turned in to the corner, it may be similar on a big bike. The more "GP" the body position the less tank you'll see. One other thing just struck me as a possible

Knee to curb is a great drill for sure, I'm looking forward to trying the variant Hotfoot suggested to refine my riding even more. I think there's the factors she mentioned as well as the fact I'm not as consistent in terms of my body position either which can move my knee's relative position a bit. I don't quite cross up but my hip rotation isn't always as square as I intend on the BMW, and while I want to work on that as well I don't want to try doing multiple thing at once and spending all my attention dollars. Enjoy Vegas in April! I'm looking forward to returning to Streets in March

Glad to hear that, I look forward to seeing you there! I had fun riding with you in Vegas.

New to all this, but Hotfoot and Cobie taught me the knee to corner and was one of the most helpful drill for me at Las Vegas. Already signed up for April in Vegas and will test again my coaches patience. 😉

Yes! Yes! You’re right! Thank you. Wrong technique.

This sounds like the hook turn more than pivot steering to me.

@Cobie Fair IIRC when I did L3 and we did Pivot Steering, I tried it at a 2 turn section that can be run as a double apex turn using PS in the second portion. As I recall, we didn't add a second steering input but instead changed the body position to alter the steering geometry.

Yep, I'll keep my eyes on my 3-step as much as possible, no need for adding saccades, but my sense of where the tank is probably has more accuracy than where my knee is -- my arm is on it and I'm betting I have a more accurate proprioception of it than my knee, as counter intuitive as that might seem. I might ask my consultant to try this drill at my first 2021 school, since accuracy is one of my "themes" every time the pace goes up or I warm my skills back up after a winter of only commuting.

Welcome to the forum!

FWIW, I don't try to see the tank in my peripheral vision ( I probably can on the BMW, but not on my little bike), but my outside arm is on it so I have a very good sense of where it is without having to see it.

Welcome to the forums neighbor!

Yep, we're about the same stature and I love the low displacement bikes as well so that's always useful! I've done knee over curb many times, for many reasons, but have always had trouble keeping my knee in my visual range due to my visor position. Tank over curb sounds like an interesting modification of it to try though, thanks @Hotfoot.