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I start out using what's initially been given with the cones provided, or find a real comfortable brake point. Then once I'm really getting the corner before the brake point down, I'll start trying to move it in slowly. I'm usually at, or a little deeper than the coned brake point. But if I come out of the corner before that brake point poorly, I will usually use the deeper brake point because I'm not going that fast. But I'm talking on my weakest part of riding including entry speed, so I wouldn't listen to me.

That is completely wicked. You really kicked that back end out.

Even if he was out of brakes in the last corner, there was more than enough space, and an uphill to pull over and not be a danger to everyone else. I can't imagine what he was thinking. And if I was having problems with my brakes and didn't have the sense to get off the gas and track, when I went to the hospital to apologize, I probably would have put that in my explanation. I'd feel like enough of a tool. An accident is an accident, but this one is just so hard to explain. And there was absolutely nothing you could have done to prevent or minimize the impact of that.

It was supposed to be a joke. Don't mind it. The way it's read is that I refer to TOTW books for all my answers here. I have an ego. Again: don't mind it. On the 40/60 thing, it's harder to explain than I thought it was going to be, thus the ramble. I was concerned that he's of the impression that you need to load the front IN a corner. That's some dangerous stuff. I have plenty of friends who are racing, and middle to front of the pack, who can't explain exactly what they do. Hand them a copy of TOTW, and the problem is usually solved.

Howdy. Congratulations on the school.

That sucks. I would have picked your brain like it was my nose.

I'm not so sure about you, but approaching a turn at say 150mph plus, when I need to get around it maybe around 70mph, normally requires me to brake.. just a little.. SO, my question to you Hubbard, (as I seem to be answering all the questions here.... LOL), is what is it that determine's what is the right line for a turn anyway...? I think you'll find the answer it TW2, page 18.....! Bullet That's insulting. I answer the questions mostly by what I've seen, tried, and experienced. It just so happens that TOTW is where I've learned a lot, and it's by the toilet (please refer to my comment in the "track addict" post, I wasn't lying), and I just ran 8 miles, so I'm not getting up to get it. Thoroughly insulted. Here's what I'm thinking. Your friends are wrong and/or have not had training (again, just my thought), and that's why they're explaining it wrong, or just don't know how to explain it correctly. I have a friend who is FAST, and after reading TOTW 1 and 2, he was blown away. He was told by friends how to do what, and all the stuff that he did to make him better was in the books. It could very well be, and I'd bet on it, that they have no idea why they're going so fast, and what they're actually doing. If they're telling you that they load up the front through a turn WHILE BRAKING, they're one of two things: Wrong or lucky. Take some time on the next trackday and listen to them in a corner. Watch their front. Watch the gas/brake thing that pops up in MotoGP every once in a while. Every tire has its limit, and if they were at full lean and braking going into the corner at the "fast guy" pace, they'd surpass that limit more often than not. More than a couple of us here have lowsided, and I've ridden a full day on a track not being able to find the right line and speed (I was going too fast) through a corner, and let me tell you; I got off the bike after every session and looked at my tire and shaking my head because it was CHEWED, and I don't know to this day how I didn't go down. You can be coming off the brakes while going into the corner (slowly), but the back tire steers the bike through a corner, the larger contact patch is in the back, and they'll be getting pushed into the bars making getting proper BP hard and frustrating. None of this would make a person faster. Remembering the 40/60 rule is what will make you better into and through the corner. It's safer and the correct thing to do. Could the reason you've wrecked be because you're listening to your friends, or were you trying to follow 40/60? While applying the 40/60 rule, I don't even think it would be possible to lowside. And I'm still offended.

Darned double post.

1. When I'm driving my car I practice my "lines" through the city. 2. My wife has gotten so knowledgeable about motorcycles just being around me, she screams at me in the car for apexing too early. 3. I can't take a proper dump without TOTW by the can to read. 4. While I'm falling asleep, I wonder what my bike is doing. 5. I love my bike so much I feel guilty when I go to the garage to look at it, and take special precautions to make sure my wife doesn't find out. 6. I'm not quite sure what's going on in Iraq, or even in the local news. But I can have an hour long discussion about why Lorenzo's upper torso was so "puffy" after his crash at Bruno. And it may get heated. 7. I have brake and turn points memorized all the way to and from work.

I was thinking the Michelin was ridden by a rider on an unfamiliar track, or having a bad day. That's what mine look like after one of those days. The Dunlops seem to have scrubbed off the rubber better and/or the rider is smoother. Could also say something about the compound? Tire warmers heat the tire up more than most can do just riding for heat. As with all rubber, if it's heated more than an equivalent rubber piece and ground on the pavement, wouldn't the heated rubber rub off faster? That's how I figured it was with tires as well.

Howdy. I've been riding for just over 10 years, and spoke with a friend in Phoenix who did a school (not this one), and said it helped him more than he could explain. We're going to do a trackday in about a month, and I'll run with him to see how fast he pulls away. I'm doing Oct 31-Nov 1 in Vegas, and am getting more and more excited as the days pass.

Howdy. Good to have you.

Could be different gearing, or he's just on the gas that much sooner than you. It could also be that he's going in smoother, and that entry speed is a little fast for you. That would make him constant through the turn while you have to decelerate during the drive in. It could be all of them. Maybe tires or engine size?

What do you mean by this, Hub? One thing that my wife was having problems with every time she made a change to her BP, was that she would slide herself back up in the seat, and she couldn't properly lock in her outside leg. She blamed the bike and change of position. Mostly, it was never her hips that we worked on because she keeps shifting and isn't able to lock in. I kept reminding her that the tank, handlebars, pegs, throttle, brake, clutch (unless there's a crash or you change something out) are all going to be in exactly the same place every time you move around on the bike. She needs to remember where the tank is when she's making a BP change, and adjust to the bike, because I can't slide the tank up.

In this pic it looks like Lorenzo is dragging his elbow. They have elbow sliders on some of the suits now. It's sick.

Good to have you back around Cobie, even if for a bit. I've ridden Firebird East more than the other two combined. I used to reset my lines during the siting laps, but once I was taking the racers workshop (never ended up racing) and the instructor told us to look off the track for run-off and such, and WOW. I learned that all of my focus is on the track and what's ahead, because there are places with VERY LITTLE runoff. After that I got much more conservative, and usually run 1:10-1:11 around it instead of the 1:08's I can get when I'm just focusing on the track. There are a number of places I really don't want to run off.

I still look around for 250's to check pricing, but it would be a project bike I'd work on when my wife graduated. As small as the tracks are here (1.16 and 1.25 miles) there aren't any straights, so I could even keep up with the 600's. All the shifting would be interesting though.

It would be great to see your progress. You may need to slow it down initially because the change of feel, but as I tell my wife repeatedly: the shape of the cockpit doesn't change. Move around and get comfortable. Adjust to the bike. Good luck, and have fun.

Those tires will be fine. I have used them for the first two years of my track riding, and although I'm going to change to something else, it will just be to try something new. I can get 3 trackdays out of them, and that's because I commute on them also. They're solid tires.

The second set is tearing apart, but that leads me to a question. Aren't performance tires supposed to be "oily?" Isn't that what keeps them peeling like the tires in your pic so it keeps "shedding" loose rubber and maintain traction?

I start on cold tires, and have to do two well paced, but cautious laps. In the winter it's one SLOW lap and two faster paced, yet still cautious laps. I can't wait to get warmers.

I called the LA office, and was told there is no release date, but she thought it would be "in the next couple of weeks." No info on whether it can be pre-ordered. She said it will be posted for sale in the CSS store as soon as it became available.

I think it's worth spending the money on new tires for me, and I'll get some warmers when my wife graduates, but I was also of the impression that it would wear the tires out faster. I know it sure seems to. I also know people who keep them on way over 20 minutes. WAY over 20 minutes. There is a temp reading on the warmers I've seen that tell them when it's where the tire should be. But 20 minutes sounds right, because it does have to get the rims warmer also. Sorry I'm not much help. It's something I'd like to know also, though.

Howdy. That's a lot of riding. And a huge muffler. It seems like such a long time ago those things were hanging off the side of every bike. It's good to have you and that gigantic muffler of yours.

That's what I was thinking. They look like they're getting on it though. I looked into getting a 250 in track shape, but it's too expensive. I'd be better served just buying another 600 that already has the basics on it.