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  1. ok so maybe it's not quite what i thought. So they appear to be backing the bike in, but what we're actually seeing is riders applying inputs into the steering while the bike is under heavy braking - thus causing the rear end to step out. So are they are turning the bike under heavy braking? then trailing the brake until the bike has completed the steering input, then straight back on the gas out of the corner.

     

    That depends on the turn.

     

    Where do you see the most crashes? On entry on the brakes. Is turning and braking the cause of that? Yes, it is the cause of it.

     

    Keith

     

    so it can be a bit of a tight rope walk to get that balance between hard braking and turn in.


  2. Having only done level 1 in Australia I noticed braking was hardly mentioned. I'm a street rider and it was my second time at a track (other time was a more roadcraft oriented training day) but I'd gathered from Keith's books that braking on the track is different from what I do on the road, where I'm not trying to get through a corner as fast as possible as there are hazards like logging trucks, kangaroos etc laying in wait.

    Would have liked an exercise with brake on and brake off markers as well as the turn marker but realise it may not be that safe.

    I had a ball anyway and will be back for level 2 when the level 1 stuff has become automatic.

     

    Hey mate, go do level 2 ASAP, its really the one where you learn to go quicker but your new vision skills make it seem like your going slower (if that makes sense). It'll also give you better vision for the road and make you alot more perceptive on whats going on around you, plus give you more time to deal with obstacles and hazards on the road (as all of the skills are applicable to road riding).


  3. ok so maybe it's not quite what i thought. So they appear to be backing the bike in, but what we're actually seeing is riders applying inputs into the steering while the bike is under heavy braking - thus causing the rear end to step out. So are they are turning the bike under heavy braking? then trailing the brake until the bike has completed the steering input, then straight back on the gas out of the corner.


  4. Backing it in...as Dylan pointed out, can have consequences.

     

    Really, how many have done this and had more problems that what it was worth? There are many examples of guys that back it in, and the guy right in front, or right behind, was matching him in entry pace and line, no problem. Cool to look at, maybe harder to pass when a guy is backing it in, but how critical is this skill, now much of a fundamental aid in putting in a good lap. Someone told me a few years ago that Rossi suggested to Nicky when they were teammates at Honda, that he not do it. We know guys that have lap records and don't back it in, ever.

     

    Similar question on excessive trail braking. How many crashes does one see on the brakes going into the turns by new, even experienced racers? For sure one needs to be able to trail the brakes into a turn, for the turns that it applies to. It would be interesting to do a little tabulating, observe the riders that do lots of trail braking and look at their long term race statistics: wins, crashes would be 2 good ones.

     

    CF

     

    Fair enough. That would make an interesting study. myself i find i really only trail brake if i come into a turn to hot (or what i feel for me is) and this helps me get round the corner. but are you saying there are corners where trail braking can be of more benefit than that? what sort of corners?

     

    Lets say I dont have a supermoto to learn on, what can i do to start the learning process?

     

    Other than supermoto, dirt bikes. Or if you don't have a dirt bike you could take a dirt school that provides 150cc four stroke bikes (or similar) for flat track training. An experience that all serious track riders should do at least once.

     

    That'd probably be good for learning about limits of traction as well as controlling loss of traction. definitely something I'll look into. Cheers mate!


  5. watching videos can certainly familiarize yourself with the layout of the track. I heard if racers are new to a track they play it on the PlayStation or Xbox to get use to it before practice.

    I've thought about that also and would bet it was more successful for refamiliarization if they'd been on the track before.

     

    I know before i go to Phillip Island i cut a few laps on the Xbox to get the gist of it again (if only my virtual lap times were the same as my real world ones...)


  6. Hey guys, just booked my level 4 at Phillip Island which is going to be awesome. Can't wait - December is so far away!! And hopefully it wont be pissing down with rain like last year. Just wanted to know what to expect out of the day. I know there's a questionnaire to fill out at the start. Is it then a case of the instructor will follow me round in my first session to see what needs working on?

     

    And I was told that you dont have to wait til your session to go out - so does that mean i can have my "instructor session" then go straight back out and work on what we talk about in the debrief?

     

    Also my current track bike is fitted with slicks (pirelli superbike pros), will there be anywhere I can hook up a set of warmers? does it cost any extra?

     

    I can only speak for US schools but since no one else has answered, I'll offer up some info with the expectation that the format is basically the same.

     

    For Level 4 you fill out your questionnaire, and before your first ride your Level 4 consultant will go over your questionnaire with you, discuss it with you, and you will work together to come up with a customized plan for what to work on in your first session. This info will be given to your on-track coach. After your session, you will debrief with your on-track coach, then go to your "classroom session" which will be with your L4 consultant. You will discuss what to work on next, based on your feedback and your coach's observations.

     

    You would still be in a particular on-track group, so your on-track session schedule will work like the other levels - in other words, you don't finish your discussion with your consultant and then just go straight onto the track, you will wait for your group to be called. Of course, if you are doing a 2-day camp, it pretty much ends up that you go right from classroom to track, back and forth with very little downtime in between. :)

     

    I hope that helps. Level 4 is very cool, a totally customized program, I'm sure you'll have a blast.

     

     

    Cheers mate! I can't wait!


  7. Hey guys, just booked my level 4 at Phillip Island which is going to be awesome. Can't wait - December is so far away!! And hopefully it wont be pissing down with rain like last year. Just wanted to know what to expect out of the day. I know there's a questionnaire to fill out at the start. Is it then a case of the instructor will follow me round in my first session to see what needs working on?

     

    And I was told that you dont have to wait til your session to go out - so does that mean i can have my "instructor session" then go straight back out and work on what we talk about in the debrief?

     

    Also my current track bike is fitted with slicks (pirelli superbike pros), will there be anywhere I can hook up a set of warmers? does it cost any extra?

     

     

    You never used the garages before? Normally just park it in one, they come around through the day and take your name and last time I checked it cost $10 per person. Only thing to be aware of is that groups pre book garages so just look out for an A4 sign on the garage door saying which ones are booked. Good weather today so hope it holds off and its sunny!!! but it is the Island.

     

    Good luck

     

    Ah sick as! cheers


  8. Hey guys, just booked my level 4 at Phillip Island which is going to be awesome. Can't wait - December is so far away!! And hopefully it wont be pissing down with rain like last year. Just wanted to know what to expect out of the day. I know there's a questionnaire to fill out at the start. Is it then a case of the instructor will follow me round in my first session to see what needs working on?

     

    And I was told that you dont have to wait til your session to go out - so does that mean i can have my "instructor session" then go straight back out and work on what we talk about in the debrief?

     

    Also my current track bike is fitted with slicks (pirelli superbike pros), will there be anywhere I can hook up a set of warmers? does it cost any extra?

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