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  1. I found out that when I actually hit my maximum lean angle I am on maintenance throttle. So this is what I currently do: I'm coming into the corner under braking, turn-in while trailing off of the brakes, transition to maintenance throttle and hit my max lean angle near the apex, then start rolling on the throttle and picking up the bike. Does that sound about right? Or is it you come into the corner under braking, turn-in while trailing off of the brakes, hit my maximum lean at the apex, then start rolling on the throttle as I am picking up the bike.
  2. What it means to me is that the throttle is just cracked open just enough to provide an even weight distribution on the bike.
  3. Assuming a 180 degree constant radius corner, when are you at your maximum lean angle? 1) When you are trailing off the brakes 2) Split second of no throttle 3) Maintenance throttle
  4. 1) Why do you ride? Note: I strictly ride track Thrill of controlling the bike at its limit. A drive to continue to improve myself and become faster! Easy access to club level racing compared to other forms of motorsports such as cars, financially speaking. 2) Most enjoyable part of riding? Blasting through high speed corners and thinking this is pretty intense!
  5. So if one were to try this, is there a strong tendency to highside if you get it wrong? I would also like to add that it might be safer to try this on a higher speed corner as there is a greater margin of error with the throttle. It will be harder to over power the tires than if it was done in a slower corner.
  6. When you get a good drive out of a corner, is your rear tire suppose to be slightly spinning? In TOW I, Code mentions that the rear wheel is suppose to spin a little at the exit, does it still hold true?
  7. I am testing out various knee positions and want to get some idea of what other people are doing. Do you try to stick out your knee 1) as far as possible 2) leave it neutral 3) have it wedged up near the fairing Is it possible to drag your knee when its wedged up against the fairing?
  8. Even though the rear tire isn't showing chicken strips doesn't mean you can't lean it over more, your contact patch would just be thinner than before. I would imagine the contact patch on the rear tire would keep getting thinner as you keep leaning it over to a point where it begins to slide.
  9. Andrew, Just so I'm clear, what is your exact question here: that you can/can't use more throttle at steeper lean angles, or is it holding the line? CF Let me try to paint a clearer picture. Both riders enter a long sweeping corner using the same racing line. Rider A enters with moderate lean angle and holds the throttle at a steady 20%. Rider B enters with severe lean angle and holds the throttle steady at 20%. Given that Rider B is using the same throttle position (20%) as Rider A, I would imagine that Rider B's line would tighten up as Rider B is at a steeper lean angle. Therefore Rider B needs to use more throttle to hold his line, say 30% throttle. So that leads to the conclusion that you need to use more throttle at a steeper lean angle to hold the same line. Or am I missing something here? Hi mate, You have some confusion here for sure. Consider if you will for a second your scenarios, why would rider A and Rider B's lean angle by different? There are few factors that can affect this, but the largest is entry speed into the turn. So in your scenario, what you're effectively saying is that you want to apply more throttle with the rider that's going considerably faster? Clearly the phsyics in this scenario are completely the wrong way around? Surely the slower rider can apply more throttle earlier, because their entry speed is slower, than the faster rider? If you have TW2, I'd definitely reccomend re-reading the section on throttle control (pages 6 through 9) and lines (pages 18 - 23.). Bullet You're right! Totally forgot about the entry speed factor.
  10. Andrew, Just so I'm clear, what is your exact question here: that you can/can't use more throttle at steeper lean angles, or is it holding the line? CF Let me try to paint a clearer picture. Both riders enter a long sweeping corner using the same racing line. Rider A enters with moderate lean angle and holds the throttle at a steady 20%. Rider B enters with severe lean angle and holds the throttle steady at 20%. Given that Rider B is using the same throttle position (20%) as Rider A, I would imagine that Rider B's line would tighten up as Rider B is at a steeper lean angle. Therefore Rider B needs to use more throttle to hold his line, say 30% throttle. So that leads to the conclusion that you need to use more throttle at a steeper lean angle to hold the same line. Or am I missing something here?
  11. So going through a turn with a steep lean angle, you will need to roll on the throttle harder to keep your line. But if you enter at a more shallow lean angle, you use less throttle to hold the same line. Seems contradictory to me. I thought if you are at a steeper lean angle you can't use as much throttle. Thoughts?
  12. Thanks man. Reading those sections cleared up a few things for me. It's amazing that you can forget what you've read before and also pick up new information after glancing at it again. I guess as you gain more experience and improve your riding you can always refer back to the book and relate to it a little more.
  13. Ok I got the point I'll stop doing that before it becomes a bad habit. I am guessing that I am entering the corner too slowly and after the initial turn in I realize I can go faster so I lean the bike over more while applying more throttle. I've been thinking and what I think I need to do is enter the corner faster and flick the bike down to the desired lean and keep a constant maintenance throttle. Thoughts? And there are varying degrees of maintenace throttle right? Like T8 at Willow Springs, I would assume maintenance throttle for that turn is basically wide open since you are not at the limit of the bikes traction, even with 100% throttle. I've been meaning to sign up for a school, but haven't gotten around to it. I've read both twist of the wrist I & II and have seen the Twist of the wrist II video which was pretty helpful. And this forum is quite useful! I dont know any other forums that discuss riding technique to such detail.
  14. In Code's book, I read that after you enter the corner, you are suppose to keep rolling on the throttle smoothly and consistently through the exit point. I found out that I can carry a lot more cornering speed if I crack open the throttle just a little bit more during cornering, but at the same time I have to lean the bike even more to hold my line. This applies to long sweeping corners. My question is, is it ok to keep rolling on the throttle while leaning the bike even further over to maintain direction? It seems contradictory to what I heve read because you cannot add both lean angle and throttle at the same time. I'm beginning to think maybe I haven't been anywhere near the limit of traction in the corners. I still have about 1/4 inch strip on the edge of my front tires (Michelin Power one Type-V). A perfect example of where I do this is Turn 2 at Willow springs where you are leaned over for a long period of time. You can really make up a lot of time by carrying a higher corner speed there.
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