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Kai I was refering as how quick he is taken the turn and did not mention leaning. The time I've been on the track I use quick turn (session 3 Level I) and I always hit my apex. And it is because the speed on the track is faster than the speed on the street. If I just push the handle bar I end up wide. In any moment in my point of view I mentioned leaning. I mentioned turnig. Which is why I was refering to. Just for clarification.

.Are you turning the bike as fast as you can. I guess the right term is flick. Both of them has the same meaning. Turn quickly and effortlessly. I am sorry for my Spanglish. Have you taken level I. I think it is session 3 where this subject is covered. If you have not I recommend you to do so. It is worth the money. You will never regret it. Regards.

When you lowered both ends, and the astern most, you actually increased rake and trail, which are contributing factor for stability. Lowering the bike, OTOH, will decrease stability. Overall, the two probably more or less evened out. I agree about leaving the front end slightly dropped and see how you like it. I am not an expert on the subject. But I had my bike tuned up based on my weight and my type of riding. The sag, rebound and compresion were adjusted front and back. My question is, do you know the sag, rebound and compresion you have as of now. Remember the factory setting is set based in two person (rider and passenger). I personally will recomend you look for a place that does suspension and have it set up for you. Go and take it for a spin and come back for fine tunning. Good luck. My two cents. The razor.

It looks like Fajita is right. Looking at the video you are taken a wide turning point. Also, Are you flipping on the turns.

Thanks Cobie. I am going to lift the back and see what happen. Got to be on the spring though. Too cold on the northeast.

Can you elaborate more on what change you are seeing? Better? Worse? Just different? .Stevo. It is not turning as fast as it used bo be. I have to keep the pressure a lit bit longer on handle bar to hit my apex. Before I just pushed and it was there. Now, if I do not keep the pressure a bit longer I get a bit wide on the turn with the end result I am off the apex, not by much but still wide. Thanks for asking.

I know Cobie is going to have a new section (I think) about tires. But since this question is related to tires I'd like to put it out there. I changed the brand of tires on my CBR1000RR. I used to have the factory bridgestone and after going to the CSS I went with the Q2. I noticed the change in handling from one tire to the other. To be specific, the way it reacts when cornering. By the way. I had the suspension set up with the factory tires. Questions: Why is there a change when cornering?. What is the corrective action so the Q2's corner as the factory brand?. Also, gripping is not a factor. OK. fellows let it reap. I am all ears. Thanks, The razor.

Yes, I have done level 1. I know my throttle control suffered a bit and I was actually trying to go line to line. The road is in Southern California (Sage Rd.), one of a few I just found, and it was during normal working hours - so there was very little traffic. My attempt was geared toward looking and trying to "read" the turns (using how close the DY and white lines appear). I had the idea of experiencing a more sweeping approach, using the whole lane, instead hitting apexes. This may be slightly less than desirable but it did give me a better sense of how much room I really have. I'm getting pretty good with flicking the bike (still practice the L1 flick drill daily). That video that Eirik posted is nuts. Just keep practicing. Practice is the key to success. By the way, it is a nice road. Good luck to you myfriend. Next, Level II. Happy holidays.

The question is how much longer can they survive riding on the road before things happen. Remind me when I was in my teen's ridig motorcross until it happened. But I am sure now a lot of people are going to be confident leaning on white lanes when turnigng. Just a thought.

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DMJ120. Have you taken Level I. If you did I think you need to go over the techniques. From the video, You were very closed to the center lane. In a few occasions you went over it. I do not think it is a good idea. I've seen people go down when in a turn (leaning) the back tire has gone when hitting the yellow line. Practice throttle control, turning point, apex, flipping. Nice road though. Where is it. Be safe. The razor.

We like to get them out every day, and are still piloting a new timing system, using RFID tags. Still some things to work out, but should be good when done. I agreed 100% with rainman. When I took level I I did it to learn the drills and made the adjustments so I can correct my flows. I used a speed that allowed me to feel comfortable in all the drills. Toward the end I was much faster due to the fact I was executing the techniques much better. For me personally, time was not as important as to apply the correct techniques. Now I can go to the track and see how my laps have improved from session to session. As was explained here, there are going to be slower riders taken the classes that are going to affect of how fast you can go in a specific lap or session. By the way not offense to anybody. Everybody has a different point of view (goals) when going to a track or a class.

Razor; I know from cornerworking there this past season that the School does bring it to NJMP. They run the off track drills in the paddock beyond the end of the garages. Rainman Rainman is of course correct, we do run it there. Can't do the slide bike though, not enough room. Also, can't run it in the wet, the original crash test dummy (me) found out exactly what happens when you ride it in the wet--you slide off the back as it spins past 180. Was pretty entertaining really. CF Thanks Rainman and CF for your answer. Looking forward to trying the lean bike even if it is for a couple of try. I hope we do not get rain on the day I take level II or level III for that matter. Looking forward to going back to NJMS. Maybe I get lucky and I get Cobie as my coach. Thanks again guys. the razor

Is the school going to bring the lean Bike to Thunderbolt. I am planning to take level II and III. Just want to know if I am going to be able to ride it. Thanks The razor.

Crash. You have a lot of pointers already. One thing it seems to me, you are a street rider. So am I. One thing I do when I go riding, when I am apporaching a corner, I look for an estimate reference point. Then When I am close to it I start looking for the apex. the apex is the one that dictates exactly my turning point. (soft turn, shap turn, etc.) I use the flick technique on the street. Remember that there is a big difference between a race track where you go over the same turns a few times and when you go on the street. If you go over the same street over and over and you know exactly the TP, apex and exits, then you can concentrate on the TP. Otherwise, It is going to be by instinct. ( I remember Dylan, telling us in level one, when approaching a corner Keep looking and looking until you see the apex then turn. The turn could be a flick of the bike or not according to the speed you are traveling. this technique helped me a lot on the street. Also I remember Peter telling me to relax on the turns, and boy what a difference it made). By doing that I can feel and undestand the bike like I have never. It also dictates the corner speed I am using. If I do not know the corner(s), I use a speed I feel confident with, therefore I can turn no matter what type of turn it is avoiding the brakes . Also, it dictates how aggresive I am going to be with the throttle once I commit to the turn. After taken Level I, my confidence has increase 110%. Just giving you my experience as a street rider and how I have adapted the CSS class to my type of riding. Good luck to you The razor 55 STAY ALIVE

Y4C4. Welcome to the forum. Regarding your question(s). I think you are trying to do too much at once. You should concentrate in one technique at a time, then start adding as you progress. You can follow the TOW instructions as they are written. Remember, when we start learning how to walk we start one step at a time. Better yet, Why don't you take the classes at CSS. Believe me it is worth the money and the time. Good luck to you and hope I am able to help you a little bit.

Fossifuel. Prompt and good recovery. Unfortunately accident happens, we just have to learn from it. I hope your bones heal well and keep the spirit and confidence that you have on yourself. Good luck to you. The razor.

To everybody out there. I spoke about the new Suomy apex model. Good vision etc. Well, I got the apex Fabrizio model, I tried it at 90+ miles and eventhough the helmet is very light with good vision, the aerodynamic it is not good. I guess it is good to go around the city and some twisties but when it gets down to go on the straight away I do not recommend it. You are going to find the shield against your face, like I found out. Therefore, my first comment was made just trying the helmet on and sitting on the bike. But After I rode with the helmet and pushed the throttle hard I was dissapointed at a high speed. Just letting you know if you guys want to buy the Soumy's apex model. I recommend find out who has one and ask him for you to try it. Since I bought mine I will be using it just for local rides. I hope nobody bought the helmet based on my first opinion. Sorry. The razor.

Nice info!!! Thanks Razor. Anyone else experimented with leaning their head to let them look 'up' the track/road easier? I get a lot of help from you guys, I think it is time I give a little back. Please, try the new soumy's, They are called apex model (the new generation of suomy's) wich has different styles as far as painting. But it is a different feeling and fit. I love them. Just go to a store that carries them I try them on. I never tried a helmet so light. Regards. The razor.

Thank you carles 3 and jasonzilla for your input. I really appreciate your opinion. I do not know how but I have a pretty good idea of how much lean I have when I am on the street. Race track is a lot different due to the fact there are some corners that you really have to lean. I hope when I take level 3 I get that straighten it out. Thanks again guys and be safe. The razor.

Cobie. I am not an expert on the matter. I have Shoei, Arai and a Scorpion until I tried the new Suomy Apex. I just order the Fabrizio Model. It is unbelievable the difference. When I tried it. I was very impressesd with the field of vision up and down. They recommend if you are a large try the Xlarge. I am large and I tried the L and it fits like a glove, go figures. When I lean on my bike (guess what) I can see what is in front of me very far without tilting my head up.. With the others I can see in front of me but not as much, I have to tilt my head up to see ahead. Try them and see if you like them. I will buy from now on Suomy. The apex is the new thing and they are super light also. Regards. The razor

. Thanks Bullet for you input. The thing is, I do not feel confortable when I open my leg all the way. By doing that my attention goes to if I am leaning to much etc. I feel much comfortable with the position like the one in the picture. I will see when I take level 2 and 3 what is going to happen with my body position. Having said that. I want to thank you and to tell you that I appreciate your input which is well taken. Good luck to you. The razor.

I've been riding for a long time. I did some racing back in my days (way back). With the new techniques and equipment nowdays. I had to learn and still learning so I can be more secure and more efficient when I ride. I am a street rider per say. I took level one and I am getting ready to take Level 2 and 3 early next year. It is something I am doing to be a better rider and for my own pleasure. It is like a dream come true. I am not a kid anymore unfortunately, Having said that. I have a question to everybody out there with more experience than me on the subject. When I ride on the street I do switch my body position when cornering. Also, I use my shoulder as a pointer sort of speak. (push the shouldedr to the corner right or left). It is a modest switch but a switch after all. My problem is I do not open completely my leg (angle). I do it to some degree but not to drag my knee to the ground. Whar are the advantages and disanvantages between semi open to open leg. Considering I ride 99% on the street. My confidence in cornering is 100%. I learned to approach, pick line , apex and exit on a corner and also how to be relaxed , I practice throttle control and speed in which I enter a corner. Lots of practice though. I hope I did not bother you guys with the story of my life. But I am curious to hear what you guys have to say on the matter. I keep my knee like the one in the red bike. As you can see in the picture below, there are two different style. the one with the open leg the other is not quite opened. Thanks The razor.

Congratulation JazMan. You are goin to have fun with the CSS group. Bunch of nice people that are going to make your track day enjoyable. As far as what to do to get out of work early. I usually start getting sick two days before I get a sick day. But that is me. Good luck in getting out early and enjoy the ride. The razor.

Hi Eirik. I am glad you feel confident. But do not get too over-confident my friend.. One thing I have notice since my confidence increased (after taken level I) is that my survival response (SR) has vanished to a point that it is almost non-existing. I have been able to control my nerves in a couple situations that I have been impressed the way I did it. Just applying the techniques I learned. I am learning more every day I ride about my bike, the way it handles on the turns, I can tell when it is and it is not in sinc and I can correct it right away. How to control the throttle accordingly to the turns, etc. But back in my mind I always keep the big if. In that way I am always in my toes in case the unexpect occurs. Having said that. Congrats again. I can tell that you are concentrating on how your bike handles which is a big part of riding. By knowing this you now how to react to a differrent turns and situations and how the bike is going to react. Top it in off with the Keith Code techniques of cornering you are going to be amazed of how smooth your are going to be. As you can see I did not say fast I said smooth. Smooth is fast my friend. My regards and keep it going. Be safe The razor.