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  1. Great to have Twist II "on tap" now for instant download. Almost time to retire the old DVD player... it is definitely getting a layer of dust on it, I watch everything on Amazon Prime or Netflix now. Favorite part for me - seeing the overlays of riders riding through the same corner on different lines and how that changes exit speed, very enlightening.
  2. Great article. I have met people from all six of the categories you show above! I was in the #4 group for a while. Then I took Level 1 at CSS and it made a HUGE difference in my riding... but I thought all schools would be that good and went to some other schools and got a lot of general riding advice and was kind of in category #5 for a while. Then I came back to CSS and did Levels 2 and 3 and made massive improvements again - and right after that I was bumped up at my local track days from the "slow" group to the "intermediate" group and then right into the "fast" group. What a difference! I can't wait to come back for Level 4. I know I've tried the "just try harder" approach lots of times and all I get is frustrated. Coming to school helps my riding more in one day that a year of practicing on my own, you guys do a great job.
  3. So, when he had the guy sit on the bike on the rearstand and bounced the bike, did it fall off the stand? I saw they cut out some video there, and afterwards the rear tire was on the ground, and a tech guy was checking the lever and throttle operation...
  4. I'm just a bystander watching this wild thread... but I'm gonna stick my nose in now. Shakabusa, I think the statement above, from a post way back on page 2, is what has gotten people "up in arms". If you were responding to the post right above it, it appears you were disagreeing that lowering the bike, adding a larger rear sprocket, and adding hp (all of which you said you were considering doing) would make the bike harder to ride on the track. Everyone else DOES seem to think those mods would make the bike less effective as a track bike (and I agree, incidentally) so you are getting a lot of info thrown at you to try to support that position. I think everyone respects a desire to ride whatever bike you want on the track, if you enjoy riding it - if you look back at all the responses BEFORE that post, everyone basically said that if you love the Busa, ride it and have fun! If you are looking for something that will perform BETTER than the Busa - well, you'll get lots of opinions on that, but the "best bike" will depend on the rider size/skillset/budget, the type of track, and a whole lot of other factors including personal passion for certain styles, motors, brands, or looks - there is simply no single answer and if you can swingit , there is nothing better than finding a way to ride a lot if different bikes and feel the differences for yourself. You mentioned before, that you don't know how to quote other posts - in any post you should see a "Quote" button at the bottom. If you click that, it will include the entire contents of the post you are responding to, at the top of your response. If you want to only quote part of it, just delete any of the text that is between the bracketed "quote" words that are at the beginning and end of the quoted text. DON'T delete the part that says "quote" in brackets at the beginning or end, though, or it will give you an error. Hope that helps...
  5. What is REALLY entertaining is watching guys at the superbike school do a steering drill using this technique. You can get a bike to DRIFT slightly by just using body steering, especially at really slow speeds, but try to negotiate an actual corner at anything over 25 mph with your hands off the bars and you'll learn in a hurry what it really takes to steer a bike. You gotta counter steer or you will just go mostly in a straight line.
  6. Coming into a corner fast used to scare me! Quickturn, and learning to relax, took the mystery out of it, and the fear.
  7. With trail braking, you can typically get on the brakes later allowing you to carry more speed deeper into the turn, but can't get on them as hard so the braking distance is increased. The turn rate is slower because the front tire is loaded and can't handle as quick a turn. Resulting in more time at lean angle or needing a greater lean angle. Can't get back on the gas till the apex vs as soon as the turning action is complete. The bike is less stable in a turn with the balance forward than when it is 60/40 to the rear. Bumps in the early part of a turn can get very scary when going over them leaned over and on the brakes with so much weight on the front tire; quick turn and get back on the gas makes it handle over rough spots (turn 10 at Streets is a good example). Some turns are so short to the apex getting back on the gas is not practical (first part of Turn 7 chicane at Fontana is a possible example) Trail braking is good for: Passing going INTO a turn - great for passing a slower rider but a faster rider can pass you back on the exit. Passing going in, on the brakes, makes you slower mid-turn and/or makes you run wide so you are vulnerable to be passed right back. Significant danger of "overcooking" the turn and running wide or losing the front. Short turns with slow exits, especially if there is a fast straight before the turn (fast in slow out) Good for light braking in high speed turns Decreasing radius turns, where your "real" turn point is very late in the turn - use trail braking to keep slowing down through the first apex to the "real" turn point, then quick turn and drive out. Quick turn is good for: Turns that don't require any braking Turns with fast exits Turns before a straight Chicanes Fastest possible overall pace through ANY turn except decreasing radius turns Conclusion: Trail braking is most useful for passing a slower rider on turn entry, or for decreasing radius turns that have a fast entry, or any turn (or any situation) where ENTRY speed is more important than EXIT speed.
  8. Recently due to some setup changes and more aggressive braking, my rear wheel has gotten really light under braking (I am using front brake ONLY, no rear brake), and a couple of times has started to "come around". In both cases when I felt it start to get sideways I eased off the brake, it straightened out and then I turned the bike. Here is my question - what would happen if I intitiated my steering action while the rear wheel was still a bit sideways? I see racers "backing it in" all the time on TV which indicates to me that I could probably turn it in with no ill effects - as long as the rear wheel was displaced to the inside of the turn. But what if the rear was stepped out to the outside, could I still turn without that creating a problem? It seems like it could lowside. Follow-up question, what would happen if the rear wheel was all the way off the ground and I tried to turn the bike? Assuming I didn't overload the front wheel and make it slide (a daring assumption, I know), would the bike still turn ok or would it be too unstable from having the rear wheel in the air? I have already improved my setup and hopefully eliminated the problem (and I know that staying relaxed on the bars helps keep the back end from wagging around) but the experience of feeling the back end get light and sideways made me curious about what would happen if I DID try to turn it while that was happening. Anybody tried it?
  9. I've seen someone do that, too! That gravel is DEEEP, I'm guessing riding out of it is NOT an option. Are you a coach with the school? Or an instructor with another orgnization?
  10. Justin; Volume Kevin Kane Oh, wait, so the only thing that differentiates a "cornering master" from a "squid" is how many times they've posted on the board? How many posts does it take to get to "Rainman" status? :) RT; Now that's a real riddle isn't it? Rain So now I'm curious - if a COACH from the school posted something on the board, but didn't have much posting history, would he/she still show as a "squid"?
  11. Justin; Volume Kevin Kane Oh, wait, so the only thing that differentiates a "cornering master" from a "squid" is how many times they've posted on the board? How many posts does it take to get to "Rainman" status? :)
  12. OK. You guys all make good points. You're right, it is healthy to have discussions and different viewpoints, and it does offer insight. I notice on some other boards (and on this board in the past) that posters just leave out the specific names when they discuss another organization. So the discussion could be about 'another book' (or school) instead of naming names. Sorry if I overreacted; it was striking me as free advertising for those other businesses and that seemed unfair to CSS.
  13. I've been quietly lurking on this board a long time. I'm a CSS student, a big fan of the program. This is a GREAT message board, and the Superbike School provides it to us, diligently staffed with professional coaches (including Cobie, the chief coach!) and pros like Will and Steve, it's an amazing service. The board is friendly and very helpful and provided to us for for FREE. In the last two weeks alone I've seen people post info on at least two competitors' books and at least three competitor schools on this board. I've even someone comparing a competitor school directly against CSS - even though the poster had never attended a CSS school. Recently someone who was coming overseas just to attend CSS asked for info on CSS tracks and someone recommended they go to ANOTHER provider's event at a track the Superbike School doesn't even use. What makes you guys think this is OK? Maybe I am just over protective of the school but I think it is unfair to Keith Code, and the staff who support this board, for you guys to post stuff about any organization or school or book that competes against the Superbike School, ESPECIALLY in reponse to a question specifically about the school.
  14. Quick turn totally changed my riding. I used to do that classic street rider ease-into-the-corner thing. With quick turn I realized I could enter the corner SOOOO much faster, it changed everything. I used to think I had to keep the throttle on a little entering a turn - I think people call that "maintenance throttle". Once I got quickturn (thank you Stuman, my level 1 coach), I realized the only reason I needed maintenance throttle is because I was going so SLOW before! I never would have gotten quick turn from the book - trusting my coach and following him through the corner at the school is what made the light bulb come on for me.
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