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Indeed, I wasn't successful at countersteering because I felt it wouldn't quick flick... maybe because I wasn't properly locked on the bike and didn't had enough leverage to do it.

I try to use the 2-step drill but I was lost when to look forward. No ref. points at all... completely forgot this. And never looked at the apex (try do use the 2-step and didnt look to the apex)

Schools around here are and Barros just quit coaching... so I guess I must read it all over again, whatch the dvd and hit the track. Damn.

Holy thread revival Batman... Well, after almost 1 year and a half 100% away from the track due a new job and my 1yo daughter, just did my second trackday in 2015 and the sh*t is f'up. I can't carry any cornerspeed because I have zero confidence to countersteer/quickflick... in fact, I can't countersteer at all, only body steer and peg weighting. Please, help me out to increase my quick flick rate... what drills can I try within my next trackday? I'm starting over again, that sucks a lot because I was used to ride in the advanced group and now I look like an old lady among the beginers.

I really believe that the front wheel locks when there is NO load, ie, wheel in the air and you hit the brakes before it lands on the tarmac.

there is a "new wave" of coaches who doesn't even mention counter-steering as a rider input, like Simon Crafar, Troy Corser, Ken Hill, and a few old fellas as Freddie Spencer/Pridmore as well. I don't really know if it is intencional or what, but it's rather strange. Check the video below: Ken Hill showing how to corner... no countersteering mention, totally weird, and since I have plenty of respect for him, I'm confused right now.

"body steering" only applies midcorner, using the HOOK TURN technique. nuff said.

watch this video:

"riding technology" sells products for a specific bike~ CSBK sells skills that you can use on any bike . Its just business / marketing riding technology is how Keith Code calls the art of cornering on a motorcycle.

I always wondered how those superstars (i.e. mgp, moto2 and wsbk riders) treats the called "riding technology". I mean, I've never heard a single soul talking about countersteering on an interview. I bet they have no clue about it. It's all about braking, trail-braking, leg waving... But the "pick up" technique is always mentioned (the one and only).

indeed geometry affects handling, like my old daytona and its twitchy front end, which tends to be quite "nervous" while cornering. but, again, Corser's cornering theorethical approach can be called as "weird" specially on this forum, but right now it's another discussion. I apologize if I was a jerk... of course everything changes with time and technology and nothing is etched into stone (specially in this sport), but I tend to carve a couple teachings on my personal stone and keep trying to improve my riding before trying something completely different. That's why, maybe, I find Corser's tips a little bit eye-popping (on the negative side).

yeah, right. IMO we are trying to find excuses to validade what he said because he means something within our sport. if a "nobody" said the same thing, he/she would be bashed around here (like many did trying to defend body steering). but the ankles/footwork tips are quite good. well, back to the topic, thanks for the tips; I'll try to push REAL HARD off brakes.

I know Corser is a world champion, almost a legend, or something like that. but maybe he lacks theoretical understanding and/or didactics... that's why he talks so much "BS" (or, for a lighter/respectful therm, "weird things") for us indoctrinated by CSS.

i.e. full of BS?!

Corser: "the less pressure you push, the fast it will fall". Geez, wtf? He said we should not push the bars to make the bike turn...

thanks mate.

still can't see the countersteering, especially these hard inputs we are discussing here. hey, I'm not arguing the only way to steer (countersteer, always, off course) I just don't see this huge amount of force applied to the bar.

wow, thanks guys! well, now I'm quite overwhelmed (or I must say frightened?) by benham's post... I never thought that SO much force is needed to quick flick the bike. I always watch WSBK, MGP, BSB, AMA SBK and brazilian SBK but I NEVER saw any handlebar movement when the rider initiate his corner approach...

Has anyone ever tried to measure the countersteering force input on the handlebars? Maybe using a straing gauge or something... Right now I'm struggling with myself on the quick flick method because I always feel like I can't push/pull hard enough without washing my front out. So, I was wondering how much Newtons is needed to achieve a quick flick rate of 5~10.

Another leg wave thread? C'mon guys... focus! PEG WEIGHTING: there is no need; when you are within hard braking procedure, leave your weight on the arms only (Alex Barros said it to me, so its true) and keep your left knee barely touching the tank i.e. your arse sits as far as you can. Tip in by countersteering, and hold your body weight on the outside thigh while touching the opposite tank side with your abs. Touch your knee with the inside elbow and try to touch your shoulder with the chin. That's it.

This might be interesting...

Thanks for the advices.

No, it is not pinched... well, I think I'll give a shot on rolloff till half throttle + quickflick next trackday. Let's see how it handles. My biggest fear is---like our mate said---to run wide/out of track or washout the front tire due lack of load.

Thanks guys. Great advice YD.

Right now I'm trying to solve my BALLS problem! It's almost automactic: I'm hitting the brakes on every fast corner but then I see guys passing thru me like a rocket (and knee dragging). So, getting my theoretical knowledge sharpen maybe can solve my fast corners issues. I know every corner is a different history, but let's start with the basics, baby steps: 1) on a 90 degree 100 kmh corner how should I approach? Roll off the throttle, keep it, quick turn, and then throttle controle rule?