Jaybird180 Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 What if we got a definition of trail braking up here, I'll take a stab: Action of releasing the brake gradiently. Some might want to add, "after turning the bike in" but what if we used the above to start with. If you're at max braking then you'd have to trail the brakes as you tipped in. When I first started trail braking this is how I did it and I was off the brakes when I got to max lean. But it was for a lazy lean only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Oh, let's not get into another trail braking discussion. We already have a thread for that. What I was trying to get at is a way to release the brake while turning. Some might call that trail braking but I think it is something different. To me trail braking is slowly releasing the brake after you have leaned the bike over. When trail braking, you might still be on the brake after you have reached your desired lean angle and would continue to release the brake well into the turn. What I was talking about in my earlier post was releasing the brake pretty quickly when you turn the bike. The brake release is timed with how fast you turn the bike. So if you turn the bike slowly you would release the brake at that same rate. If you turn the bike quickly the brake would come off just as fast. Again the brake would be fully released when you reached your desired lean angle. Some have mentioned a fear of loosing the front if you did this. Can you think of any advantages it might have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kane Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Oh, let's not get into another trail braking discussion. We already have a thread for that. What I was trying to get at is a way to release the brake while turning. Some might call that trail braking but I think it is something different. To me trail braking is slowly releasing the brake after you have leaned the bike over. When trail braking, you might still be on the brake after you have reached your desired lean angle and would continue to release the brake well into the turn. What I was talking about in my earlier post was releasing the brake pretty quickly when you turn the bike. The brake release is timed with how fast you turn the bike. So if you turn the bike slowly you would release the brake at that same rate. If you turn the bike quickly the brake would come off just as fast. Again the brake would be fully released when you reached your desired lean angle. Some have mentioned a fear of loosing the front if you did this. Can you think of any advantages it might have? Stu; I had responded earlier to this but to your current question I found at Sears last month that entering turns like 7A and especially 9A, I found that as I moved my brake markers closer and closer to my turn point that I would literally release the lever simultaneous with turning it in. The advantage seemed to be that with the front loaded from braking the transition to turning seemed easier. Maybe it was because the wheelbase was shortened and with the forks compressed that the trail was reduced making turning easier but the more I did it the better the bike seemed to respond to the steering input. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubbard_28 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'm not doubting that it works, but doesn't quickly releasing the brake change the weight too quickly. I'm going to focus on my turning specifically this weekend, and would like to have it straightened out before I hit the corners. I was going to have a slow release of the brake while going into the corner so the front stays somewhat loaded. Should I just release and lean? I'm thinking before quickly releasing the brake there should be a gradual release before getting to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybird180 Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'm not doubting that it works, but doesn't quickly releasing the brake change the weight too quickly. I'm going to focus on my turning specifically this weekend, and would like to have it straightened out before I hit the corners. I was going to have a slow release of the brake while going into the corner so the front stays somewhat loaded. Should I just release and lean? I'm thinking before quickly releasing the brake there should be a gradual release before getting to that point. Depends on how your rebound damping is setup. If you have a lot, the front will want to stay down and if you have little it will pop back up, upsetting the chassis and disturbing it's pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman Posted December 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 If you can time the brake release right the front will not rise and fall. You can replace the braking load with the cornering force and keep the front end cmpressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobie Fair Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 If you can time the brake release right the front will not rise and fall. You can replace the braking load with the cornering force and keep the front end cmpressed. I think there is a series of photos in Twist 1 on this, Eddie on a Superbike. I'll have to go and look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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