Mid-Corner Countersteer

[hwanie2]

 

My question is while maintaining throttle, can lean angle be added by countersteering a bit more? So basically not rolling on anymore, only keeping the throttle maintained.

Would maintainence throttle be an okay instance where I'd be able to countersteer the bike to initiate more lean angle?

[yakaru]

34 minutes ago, hwanie2 said:

 

My question is while maintaining throttle, can lean angle be added by countersteering a bit more? So basically not rolling on anymore, only keeping the throttle maintained.

Would maintainence throttle be an okay instance where I'd be able to countersteer the bike to initiate more lean angle?

If your throttle position is steady then generally you are able to counter steer to change/increase lean. This is particularly relevant on smaller bikes and/or faster series of corners -- there are places where you just pause the roll on without the need to roll off. A related case might be double apex corners, which can often have a point where you pause or slightly roll off to let the bike tighten/repoint, but usually you want to avoid extra steering inputs in a corner if you can. It's better than chopping the throttle, which actually widens the turn for a period, lowers ground clearance, and all sorts of other nastiness.

However you are going to have less available tire load for this action compared to rolling off, and you don't get the benefits of geometry that rolling off/braking can give in terms of handling. But if you've gotten into a corner and realize you've made a mistake, a pause or gentle roll off on the throttle is definitely better than to keep rolling on while adding lean (recipe for a crash) or chopping the throttle and getting thrown wide at the same time you're trying to tighten the turn.

[hwanie2]

1 hour ago, yakaru said:

If your throttle position is steady then generally you are able to counter steer to change/increase lean. This is particularly relevant on smaller bikes and/or faster series of corners -- there are places where you just pause the roll on without the need to roll off. A related case might be double apex corners, which can often have a point where you pause or slightly roll off to let the bike tighten/repoint, but usually you want to avoid extra steering inputs in a corner if you can. It's better than chopping the throttle, which actually widens the turn for a period, lowers ground clearance, and all sorts of other nastiness.

However you are going to have less available tire load for this action compared to rolling off, and you don't get the benefits of geometry that rolling off/braking can give in terms of handling. But if you've gotten into a corner and realize you've made a mistake, a pause or gentle roll off on the throttle is definitely better than to keep rolling on while adding lean (recipe for a crash) or chopping the throttle and getting thrown wide at the same time you're trying to tighten the turn.

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