sifubs
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I'll be there as well black Kawasaki zx6r
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Absolutely for stability. When those guys are braking into a corner going down from 180 MPH to 70 MPH, applying the back brake is gonna make you fish tail a lot of the time. Its all about suspension, suspension,suspension. I assume Lorenzo has a bike where technicians have his suspension so dialed in that he rarely needs to stabilize.
NEW TO FIREBLADES by the way.
2002 Honda 919
modified minorly
I thought the "fishtailing" in Motogp was due more to weight transfer onto front wheel during heavy braking and less to using rear brakes.
Its been said that Lorenzo doesn't brake as hard as the others but brakes earlier, for longer and less severe so his bike remains stable.
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Dylan,
From looking at the video it seems that you have little or no weight on the inside foot. It seems natural that with little or no weight that the entire leg would be relaxed and can feel the ground better. This has been a topic that has puzzled me for some time even after attending the school.
Can you please clarify the weight distribution and change between the time you are upright with 0 lean and at full lean for a corner.
Ah jeez. That's tough to specifically answer because I think it will vary depending on corner type, bike type, rider fit to bike, tank grips or not, and the list goes on. When I was on track at Willow yesterday I paid attention to the amount of weight I was supporting with my inside leg and there definitely was weight being supported but I would not say it was a significant amount. I would say more than "light" and less than "moderate" as a very rough, vague and useless description.
I would agree that you would have better feel with a more relaxed leg, though bar feel would be far more important.
Zero lean would be less weight than leaned, for certain.
Thanks, this clears it up for me.
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Baylis had a similar style but not as crossed up as Doohan.
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Dylan,
From looking at the video it seems that you have little or no weight on the inside foot. It seems natural that with little or no weight that the entire leg would be relaxed and can feel the ground better. This has been a topic that has puzzled me for some time even after attending the school.
Can you please clarify the weight distribution and change between the time you are upright with 0 lean and at full lean for a corner.
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With regard to leg dangling : I read somewhere, I think it was motomatters.com, where it was being said that the leg dangling helps with the stability of the bike especially when the rear is unloaded during heavy braking . It was also mentioned that Lorenzo brakes more progressively over a greater distance and his bike rarely/never gets out of shape during braking.
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Maintenance throttle you are actually rolling on not as aggressively to increase speed but to counter the slowing caused by the cornering forces and friction. More aggressive roll on will be required to increase speed. Just holding the throttle steady(slight open from 0 throttle) will not increase speed and you will still slow( effectively braking).
Maximum lean is achieved when you have completed steering input(you are on your chosen line)At this point you can then add throttle( maintenance) rolling on progressively your roll on rate can then increase as you pick the bike up.
Maximum lean is achieved when you finished steering and have begun to add throttle, ideally, before the apex.
Just my $0.02
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It seems the other riders are handling the traffic.
1. As mentioned earlier being able to read the traffic and anticipate what could or will happen then position your bike in the least risky position.
2. Riding slower helps as you,ll have more time to react.
3. More practice so that you can control/suppress your survival reaction, hone your ability to counter steer and proper throttle control to be instinctual, this can prevent panic.
4. If you have no experience on the road(driving or riding) talk to some more experienced road goers in your area.
5. Always expect the unexpected
Good luck.
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As a rider , to me it doesn't matter why, just need to know what works in the real world. Based on the information I see here there is a conflict between what I see the pros/motogp doing in that they hang off the inside and keep the torso low as opposed to upright.
It's interesting that throughout history there have been many theories about why something works that at one point is generally accepted but in the future a better explanation comes along and get accepted. One thing that remains the same through the changing explanations is that it works.
I leave this to the engineers to figure out while I ride.
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Just a few thoughts on things to check:
Are you using your hands to hold on to the bike during the transitions as opposed to using your legs? Could this cause unwanted bar inputs such as right hand being stiff giving more resistance to pushing on left bar?
Sometimes body position gets compromised as we increase speed and SR takes over and causes your inputs to have some amount of downward force requiring more effort.
Could the lack of smoothness be being out of sync with bike movement and body movement?
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Practice correctly in the right increments(establish a solid foundation the work from there)
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Could it be possible that with the sudden sharp steering input you at also twisting the throttle a bit?
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Biker B should turn in easier as more weight is on the front, however, both will need to roll on throttle to maintain speed in the turn.
Valentino Rossi New Riding Style
in Cornering and Techniques
Posted
I saw this on motomatters.com (http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2014/09/17/guest_blog_mat_oxley_a_new_way_of_riding.html).
It reminds me of the hook turn technique taught at the superbike school.
Here is an excerpt from the original article http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/a-new-way-of-riding-a-new-way-of-crashing/ :
" A new way of riding, a new way of crashing
Well, it appears that whoever coined the term ‘you can’t teach an old dog new tricks’ didn’t know what they were talking about.
On Sunday in Italy a middle-aged man defeated a young phenomenon for several reasons. Firstly, he’s learned a new trick or two.
I can only assume that Valentino Rossi discovered his new way of riding his Yamaha YZR-M1 by reading old copies of Grand Prix annual Motocourse because he seems to have adopted the outlandish riding style of 1990s BSB champ James Whitham. The Yorkshireman rode in a highly unusual fashion, with upper body completely out of line with the motorcycle, neck craning towards the inside of the corner, as if he was literally dragging his machine to the apex.
Whitham developed that style while riding Suzuki’s recalcitrant 1992 GSX-R750 and it worked well for him in subsequent seasons. And now it seems to work just as well for Rossi who’s been thinking scientifically about what he can do to close the gap on young pup Marc Márquez, riding Honda’s quicker-steering RC213V.
“If you want to stay on top you must look at what the fastest riders are doing,” Rossi affirms. “I now use more of the top of my body to move outside of the bike to improve turning. I watch and I try to modify my position on the bike and the movement of the bike. I now move forward more to avoid wheelies.”"