faffi Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Could be interesting http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/Aug/140805tb21.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Didn't he move around on the bike wayy too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 He must have, otherwise he wouldn't be multiple world champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 That style did not help him in GP.I think Keith said this somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 There are several versions of that story as well. One is that he was not the priority for Ducati and they provided him with a sub-standard team. When he came back for a one-off race in Valencia 2006, he had one demand - being able to bring his SBK team. He won... For me, results speak more loudly than theory. Doohan apparently didn't ride correctly, either. Look where that got him. Mike Hailwood won all the way to 1980 without hanging off and still managed to corner faster with less lean that riders hanging way off. History is full of riders gaining success without following the book. That isn't to say they could not have improved further, but there clearly are more than one way to ride a motorcycle fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Would be great to have a thread where we dissect the body positions of GP riders.Ball is your court, oh meticulous Eirik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchase Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Interesting book. It would be interesting to see his perspective on things that work well for him. I love the following quote which is VERY true. It's probably the reason I love riding so much. "The most important thing to realize about motorcycle riding is that it's a dynamic skill. You will always be able to improve or change something to be faster, smoother, and safer." -- Troy Bayliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Would be great to have a thread where we dissect the body positions of GP riders.Ball is your court, oh meticulous Eirik. Have been done - but I must update the picture links http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.php?showtopic=2120&hl=%2Broberts+%2Bspencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckeen Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 That is a great quote that was recently exemplified for me by a fellow student during my lvl 4 school day. As a result of a recent increase in pace she was encountering new challenges with the interaction of the motorcycle in transitions. With every breakthrough you achieve there arises new barriers and problems that must be sorted out, When reviewing riding styles through the ages It is important to remember that they have evolved alongside the technology of the bike, and in many ways were adapted to the available technology at the time. Marquez is not the first rider to drag his elbow, that was done as early as 88 on a 250 gp bike. His riding style is possible due to massive improvements in suspension, tires and linear power delivery. The unpredictable nature of the old 500cc two stroke's would make Marquez's riding style near impossible, and probably result in some of the worst highsides ever seen. We seem quick to forget how much more dangerous racing was in the past, and how much more common crashes were. Comparing the riding styles of someone on a temperamental 2 stroke who was racing around armco barriers and hay bales to that of someone on a bike managed by a army of technicians and sensors with huge groomed runoffs and airbags in their leathers is like apples and elephants IMO. Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Agree with the 500 highside part.However, some people like Schwantz did not move around much and were fairly relaxed.Some others were quite animated.How these compare must be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Scwantz himself said he did not like to move about much, and also did not tuck in quite as much to better see forward. Guess that went out of the window in the final lap lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 He also carried quite a bit of lean, it was usual to see him with his knee trapped between the road and the fairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroker Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 I wonder if he was trying to throw people off lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 More great clips from yesteryear Back on topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckeen Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 to be fair Eirik, I do believe some of the photos of Schwantz you have posted in the other thread are in fact well timed mid crash shots, even Schwantz himself has mentioned in interviews that some of the more spectacular photos of his use of lean angle were taken during a crash he was unable to save. Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yes, I know there were crash photos there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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