For all of those of you out there that want to experience the no BS bike for practice before or after a CSS class then I recomend a GL (goldwing) 1500. My dad has one and it was quite a change from my Honda VF1000 (interceptor 1984). The handlebars are actually almost level with my breastbone and me being about 6'1" that is really high. All I had to do was put it throught some agresive corners and I knew exactly what you guys were talking about. It is also a good learner bike because it weighs almost 1000 lbs so getting off the seat does not really effect the cg since a measly 150-200 lbs really isn't as large a ratio on such a pig of a bike. So for all of you sporters on your GSXRs, Hayabusas, CBRs, and YZFs if you have a friend that has a Goldwing try to convince him to let you go for a little ride, it is a really interesting experience.