Spinto
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On 5/4/2020 at 5:15 PM, 53Driver said:
Using their BMW!
great bikes!! i just bought an S1000xr with a full akro....perfect bike for me. My race bike is an R6 ....130 hp at the rear.
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11 hours ago, 53Driver said:
A pity!
Your experience would indicate you had a lot to offer.
Per your advice, I'll stick with the coaches!
Ride well, sir!
Thanks....but it's a waste of my time and would prob only confuse some....the CSS coaches have a clear process and way of delivering it.
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i'll be bowing out of these conversations going forward. Too cliquey. Also too "green"
Good luck to all of you! Listen to the coaches!!!
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24 minutes ago, yakaru said:
Something I've heard before is that with the Pirelli's you're "being held up by the hand of god... until you aren't." I love my sport-touring Pirellis though, I'll say that, but very different use case.
i get the same race feel from the Ntechs.....if you can't trust your tires....or feel them....you won't go as fast. Sport touring tires....pilot road 5s.....what are is your race bike? street ride?
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Back to the topic Heading..."Why Are We Weighting The Outside Peg?
i use that technique when racing. I use it to accelerate sooner and/or when i change my line.
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27 minutes ago, 53Driver said:
Hopefully it will be "up" and available at Barbers!
hope so.....BArber is a great track. Offers alot for rider training. Elevations, blind corners-ish....great surface too
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in an earlier post....when i did CodeRace...they didn't have the bike working to ride....Would have loved it!!
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44 minutes ago, yakaru said:
Correct. My last race, before the lock down, was actually with CSS.
Edit to expand: I'll admit I'm a newer racer, but I'm a physics simulation programmer and I gave the equation and explanation for why. Honestly that should have way more credit than any race experience. I also, as I said, invite you to try it. The lean bike at CSS is an excellent example, as is the parking lot. Racing experience is fine and good but CSS mentions many times how many pro-racers they have who don't know they counter steer or other basics.
nice work....where was the race? I don't see the details posted anywhere
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11 minutes ago, yakaru said:
Racer, I've been riding for 10 years and have been a track rider the whole time.
Also a bit, uh, unkosher? to do this perhaps but this is well documented. Here's YCRS covering it:
ok...just watched this....i wasn't wrong. Terminology is different...how others describe it will be different....not here to argue semantics.
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so you've been racing....not just track days?
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i 'm reading these posts and i don't know who's speaking. Are you a racer?motorcycle, car?? how much "time in the seat".....not just track days but racing? What real experience do you have and for how long? Without knowing...it's all conjecture.
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11 minutes ago, Cobie Fair said:
If/when we get you guys to a school, and if you haven't ridden it, ride the NO B/S bike. It really has to be ridden to get the full experience, no amount of talking seems to take the place of this training aide.
i can imagine. When was at Streets doing my Code race school with Dylan, it was down.
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4 minutes ago, Cobie Fair said:
Back to the point of the bike running wide when it slows: if the rider is rolling on the throttle, then rolls off, it will run wide initially.
Good discussion here.
thanks Cobie.....my opinions are for track riding.....i wouldn't go that deep into a corner/situation on the street
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why does it run wide? the turning circle has gotten bigger?...how??
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46 minutes ago, 53Driver said:
I'm doing "Total Immersion" training - Levels 1-4 in four days.
At least, that's the plan!
That's great!! what bike are you using? 4 days will get you into their way of thinking.
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37 minutes ago, 53Driver said:
Please - enlighten me!
As I've said in other postings, I'm not a proud author, but please don't tell me there's a lot wrong and leave me hanging!
Since you're doing the course at Barber shortly....i'll leave it them to teach you in their words and style that knowingly works.
Just one point....Slowing the bike while in ca corner will cause it to fall NOT stand up.....more throttle in a corner will cause the bike to want to stand up!...therefore more steering input required.
These guys and gals at CSS know what they're doing....don't assuming anything.....go in with an open and blank mind.
My PB laptime at Barber on my r6....1:32
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racing regionally i used Dunlop Ntechs...exclusively....hard carcas.....better feel for me. Racing our National series, we were forced to use Pirelli. Soft Carcas....worked well until they let go and you're thrown off the track.
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This is surely stirring the pot!! Not sure if those posting are racers, track day riders, have taken any training with CSS or just enthusiasts.
I've done 2 days of the school in California....because i had to to qualify for Code Race. Then i did 2 days of Code Race right after.
My experience with weighting pegs....the outside in particular....was with exiting a tight corner and hard on the gas while leaned over.
My other experience with the pegs is in a tight chicane where i need to change direction quickly....so i move the bike under me....there isn't enough time to go "touring" on the track!
I'm curious how many have actually perfected just getting through the turns cleanly and with proper form? Slow in...Fast out!
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Out of curiosity.....one day school?
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40 minutes ago, 53Driver said:
To tighten up the line while in a turn, the rider needs to increase the rotational moment about the CG of the motorcycle in the direction intended.
How that happens is by altering one (or more) of the variables which dynamically create that moment as quickly, efficiently, and as stable as possible since if you've misjudged the corner and need to tighten the line while in the turn, your "big" thought bubble will be indicating your religious preferences and/or deification options...
These are in no particular order as the rider will need to change what isn't already incorporated or possibly maxed out.
1. Increase the lean angle through more aggressive counter-steering - if traction is available for that (as mentioned above by Spinto)2. RPMs (maintain or increase because slowing makes the bike stand up)
3. More lateral weight shift (into the direction of the turn)
4. More forward weight shift (to load up the front wheel)
5. Peg pressure (in conjunction with weight shift to amplify/stabilize a pivot steering point)
6.Shifting to "proper" vision through the turn
Changing the plan mid-turn does one other thing to the rider's CPU - the brain will be rapidly (to the point of overload) sampling all the new data parameters introduced to assess their likelihood of success. And all this occurs in those elapsed 1.7 seconds when the rider realized he's misjudged the turn to the endstate - hopefully rubber side still down and lesson learned.
More coffee....Cheers!
There's a whole bunch of wrong in this posting.......Cobie...could you chime in..please!!
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On 4/28/2020 at 7:25 PM, Cobie Fair said:
Hi Jeremy,
So let's clarify, ,just to be 100% clear for eveyrone: what does a rider do in a turn to get the bike to tighten the line?
Best,
Cobie
Counter steer harder into the corner...or less speed.
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I race in a class where i'm the only Amateur, the others are Pros. when everything is right....which it has been lately....i'll pull 5 -6 lengths on them. So, I'm on an '07 R6. Hold the rpm at 10,000 ..right on the ground...over the tank..btw i weigh 230....and ABUSE the clutch...feed it out and dont let the rpm drop....depending on gearing....short shift if necessary...my 2 cents
Pulling handle bar after counter-steering?
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For me...i think it would help. Thanks