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I totally understand what the OP is going through. I believe the weight is on the opposite side that the hips are "open" to. This helped me grasp the concept, but I have to remind myself about my inside elbow pointed down instead of out. I lowsided in Feb. of this year and attribute it to my "wide positioned" elbow causing me to "counter-lean" the bike and when I used up all available traction at max lean. *Slide-crash* My tips that help me are simple: -Bum off early -Open hips to apex (this pops the knee out) -Bend forward in direction of hips

VERY true! I know the "center seat" is just a tidbit and nothing worth actual documentation of this tip for real racers. More of what you said, "early BP". The toe pointing had me thinking though... Such a small part of it has some scientific evidence. Take for instance, you stand shoulder-width with your toes pointed forward, you do a mini-squat as if you were riding on the pegs(light in the saddle) and have no weight on the bars(extra steering input). If you were to open your hips to either your left or right, it "feels" harder than if you jus opened your stance to accomodate for the hips opening. Small pointer, but it goes back to what you said about the WHY of good body position. I think the main emphasis is being comfortable. Not so much a tip for everybody, but might help the ones that can't help but get "crossed-up" or ala closed hips.

Rossi looks like he has "full" BP set much earlier than the other riders. Almost like the "hook turn" + pivot steer/CS done right at the turn-in. Where others seem to trail much harder and have to hold a more upright(or later BP). Good examples are Dani Pedrosa(really early hook-turn BP) vs Andrea Dovizioso(sp? Later hang-off). Watch Rossi on a chicane and you'll see his elbow and knee are almost in sync when they pop out for the second part of the chicance. Hip flick with a hook turn so to speak.

1. Open shoulder line outside of inside hip -> "Kiss the mirror" BP 2. Lean(push-off/anchor) to one side -> Pivot steering 2a. Counter-steer(push/pull + above) -> Two-step/3-step timing Just some notes I made for myself.

The "never sit in the middle of the seat"? That helps for any "safe" street riding. I didn't see that in the twist1 book or the twist2 dvd.

http://www.forumshawaii.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=586776 A thread of education on my local chat... What do you guys think about it? Never expressed in any TOTW yet? Could be in TOTW3: Advanced Race? Just clicked in for me,,, Enjoy!

I wonder about actual "good steering" position now. "Parallel forearms?" Might have to be careful, extreme elbow draggin now! Ben Spies might be on to something...

here's a unexpected highside... Had a group ride today, two guys went down. 1st guy - 1st turn = cold tire 2nd guy - 1st turn = target fixation(behind 1st rider). Both are ok and were geared up. Sux for the bikes but you learn from it, I know I did.

I'm sorry Eirick and Jaybird, It does sound a little much. Let me try to unravel this spider-web of an idea. Before I do, let's enjoy this video... Rebuttal point - pivot steering = max turning rate. Max turning rate will tire anyone out.

I'd like to throw in another concept for thought. Pivot steer the Pick-up drill = "ala slide straightener" After the "fall", after the apex, "Pull" yourself while adding weight to inside peg for ~active STABLE exit. How does this sound? What it seems is like your stable hand/stable foot should be doing the steady push(hold). BUT your (pivot)steering is done with a good "pull" ("pick-up" speeds up the process "between" a series of turns) POWER STEERING! WOOHOO!

Gonna do an instructor post... When you handle anything? Driving a car, holding a baby, lighting a cigarette - what's the more efficient way of doing it? The reason being is you "HAVE" to be able to push/pull with both arms and be "AWARE" of it ALONG with the footing you have on the bike. Today I came up with another experiment... *at the store* *took a shopping cart* *stuck one side against the wall* *tried to turn the cart 'into' the wall* More I "tried turning" more I noticed where the power was and where the power wasn't with my feet. When I rode today, the way I would apply this concept is: Set-up: Closed course, open road, safety first! *throttle control decent speed* 1. Ride(weight) on the balls of both feet 50/50 each foot (active stance/anchor) 2. No weight on the arms (chicken wing your heart out) Now comes the "SHAM-WOW!" Because you're riding on the balls of the feet and you're ALREADY applying pressure to them to anchor(Light in the saddle!) 3. Un-weight ONE side - you start to "fall" towards that side of the bike (being a good passenger) 3. Counter-steer SAME time (loss of stability that foot had - will give the body/mind a "lever/lean" or internal gauge to work with) Once you establish the your lean angle -> catch yourself by 4. Apply weight back onto the peg ~50/50 (stop "falling") 4. Roll-on to stabilize (go as possible, let the ) 5. Enjoy the power/pivot/legs-run steering. 6. Increase rate of roll-on until you find the limits of traction... Before I used to think "2-D" or hands only(input) with counter-steering. Now with this, you have become a "walking", breathing, cornering machine. Straights have just gotten $10 easier...

Ok, so I'm more of a TIT guy. (Think It Thru silly!) T&E is too expensive for me. My realization on practicing "pivot steering" finally clicked today! After a post from Keith when he said the pressure of the outside leg and inside arm coincide and tense/relax at the same time. Before I share this excellant piece of knowledge with the awesome group of people here, I would like to thank Keith Code and staff for breaking everything down to a science and making it easier to understand. If you like this example of "pivot steering" which I think everyone who rides will! Please remember the waRRior from Hawaii. Here's MY explanation of "Power Steering" (i'm a personal trainer btw - teaching by demonstration is my thing) -hold push-up position This simulates just the basic contact points on the bike(pegs and bars). Lift one hand off the ground (strong man/woman!) You start to feel your stable points - opposite leg of hand that's still on the ground - easy yeah? Now comes the magical moment... With the hand that's off the ground, TRY lift something with considerable weight off the ground. What happens to one of your feet while lifting? "Ah hah!" Not just the push is represented in counter-steering, but the pull as well! Pivot, the ultimate push and/or pull! Thank you guys so much for your time and I hope this benefits you in some way. All the information from here has helped me become a better rider. THANKS! redwaRR

Ya think I should hang off more? The more I read about hanging off, the more it talks about getting the crack off the seat. These ones I'm barely getting one cheek.

Let me know what you guys think. I'm not looking to set a knee down on the street so please refrain the flaming. Just trying to improve my everyday riding, because we don't have a track here in Hawaii. Oh yeah, I watched TOTW II like a million times. Still have yet to take a track day and the lvl 1 course. Hate Hawaii for not having a track or school out here, unless your in the service. Keith Code, your teachings ROCK!~ P.S. Second pic is bad lean, I was just witnessing one of my fellow riders going down - no roll-on.