Gravisman
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I think the corners where this typically exhibits are corners that combine hard braking on entry with a decent opportunity for driving hard out. They're sorta balanced, so usually I'm looking to maximize both my entry and exit without a clear "I care more about my exit drive" or "I care more about how late I can brake."
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Thanks for the drill suggestions. Yes, I've done all the levels at CSS
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17 minutes ago, Hotfoot said:
Something that caught my attention - a few posts back you said when braking "but I also pop up, straighten my arms, and use my palms..."
Do you mean you sit up for braking? Why do you sit up, versus staying low on the bike for braking? Do you then have to reposition your upper body and arms to enter the turn, and does that contribute to the lag in getting back to the gas?
I pop up because A. it allows me to use my body as a sail to aid in stopping, B. because it puts me in a good position to allow some pressure through my arms+palms without fatigue, C. because it puts me in a good position to drop my head/upper body into the turn, and kinda-sorta-D. because every professional rider I've ever seen does this. No, this doesn't cause a lag in getting to the gas. Do you *not* come up and just stay in tuck the whole lap?
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I am happy with my lines. I think the typical scenario involves focusing too long on my apex, trailing the brakes longer than I need to, and then having my brain realize I’m on the right line, not on the edge of the tire, and it’s time to accelerate, so I get pretty aggressively to the gas. So my analysis is really that my eyes are moving to my exit too late.
Obviously my goal is to clean that whole thing up, and much of what I intend to work on is focused on my vision. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone had any thoughts on drills/ways to train specifically the right hand part of equation, because I want to train my brain to have the correct habit even if I have over-slowed. It’s less a mystery as to “why this is happening” and more a question of “ok, what are good training techniques to improve?”
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Nope, there are no steering corrections, just an overly aggressive throttle opening. It’s not so egregious that anyone would notice it unless they studied my hand movement on video or looked at my throttle opening data.
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53 minutes ago, Vic said:
I tend to agree with CoffeeFirst in that it may not, specifically, be an issue with what you are doing but when you are doing it. The other thought is could it be linked to vision; and where - as well as when - you are looking prior to corner entry, mid-point and exit.
This is precisely my own analysis, that the issue is rooted in getting to the throttle too late, and that is caused by my vision being a bit behind.
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Interesting thought on the lever positioning. I've liked to use a lever placed farther away, more at my fingertips, but I may play with a closer positioning.
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Throttle free play is good (classic cable setup). Sure I use my legs during braking but I also use my palms. If anyone is able to grip the tank so hard that they don't need their palms/arms at full brake pressure, then power to you, but I also pop up, straighten my arms, and use my palms to help keep the nearly 200 pounds of me and my gear in place. By the time I'm off the brakes and ready to crack the throttle, my arms and hands are relaxed, but also by virtue of the the fact that my fingers have just come off the lever, it's my palm that's on the throttle, not the fingers. One option I haven't explored is repositioning my hand in the moment between coming off the brake and cracking the throttle. I'm not sure how much I think that is necessary given my earlier observation that this behavior happens in some corners and not all of them. I believe the core issues are when I'm cracking the throttle and what speed I'm traveling when that happens, though I should be able to train myself to have a smooth crack even when I'm doing it too late. Maybe a conscious repositioning would be decent training for that as eventually I'd be able to reposition my hand unconsciously and it could help build the habit of doing the right thing in all situations.
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My grip at the point of initiating throttle is more palm-oriented than finger, because I’ve just finished braking with my fingers on the lever and palm on the bar. Would not describe it as tense - I don’t experience any kind of arm fatigue.
I am definitely *able* to crack the throttle smoothly, and in some corners I do a good job. I’m also likely to do a good job if I spend a portion of my attention on it. I’d like to make it a stronger habit to do the right thing every time with less attention required.
The negative habit seems to come out predominantly when I’m in a corner where I could have started the throttle sooner than I did or in which I over-slowed the entry. I do a good job of setting my line and then it’s almost an “oh , let’s go!” response from my brain.
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Hey, all. One of the things I've set out for myself to work on this year is how I crack open the throttle. I know from some of my own video and data analysis that sometimes I am a bit too aggressive with the initial opening of the throttle, possibly unsettling the chassis rather than smoothly transferring weight to the rear.
So, the question is - how to improve this? I have a few ideas, but I'd love to hear others' as well.
Cracking the throttle
in Cornering and Techniques
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I don’t observe any chassis issues directly. I observe throttle openings in my data analysis that sometimes look harsher than they should. I race a 75 hp bike so I can get away with a little sloppiness here without anything going too crazy, but there’s always room to improve, right? This is one of the areas of my riding that I identified to try and clean up in 2022, because I don’t want it to come bite me someday when I least expect. Maybe what I’d expect to go wrong here isn’t exactly a chassis issue but more a rear grip issue.