[techniques for finding the limit]

Thanks for all the comments. I think I'm getting an idea of what I have to do in order to improve (riding school) and I asumed correctly that it's much harder to ride a bike fast than a car. The last 5% are equally difficult but on the way it's easier to make a fatal mistake as bikes are much more unforgiving. 

 

[techniques for finding the limit]

Thanks for the condolences @Jaybird180 😅 I already asumed that there isn't a straight cut answer. I really wonder, though, how people practise cornering on the limit. There has to be something...otherwise even seasoned riders wouldn't be able to improve without crashing constantly. 

[techniques for finding the limit]

Hi guys, 

I spent 20 years with cars. Street, track, endless driving lessons for both and I probably already done a million kilometres on four wheels. This year I did my motorcycle license and I'm so hooked that I'm already thinking about selling my car ^^

I did one trackday and two safety courses, but there is one thing that I'm still puzzled about. How do I safely find the maximum corner speed and grip limit on a bike. 

 

When it comes to cars, there's this simple technique everyone uses on the track: Break earlier, turn in earlier and also get on the throttle earlier. This way the car will slightly understeer which is much more predictable and easier to control than snap oversteering after trailbraking into the corner too late or too hot. 

If your corner speed is 80mph you can pretty much make an educated guess that you are using 90% of your tire and the maximum corner speed for your car is about 85-90mph. You then can fine tune your braking and turn in by braking later and trail braking into the corner. 

 

I'm kind of confused regarding motor cycles, though. If you break early and crack the throttle open early, the damn thing doesn't turn in and you run wide on the exit especially when you overslow the entry. Understeering means losing the front and reducing throttle mid corner means upsetting the bike and risking a lowside by losing the backend. 

 

So is there a similar technique for bikes that I don't know of? How should you approach the limit on a bike in a safe and predictable way? Or is it just balls to the walls until you are coming in too hot and crash and then turn it down a notch?

 

 

Thanks very much