Jump to content

Level 3/4 One Day Classes


Recommended Posts

I'm booked for two 1 day classes in a row in order to complete my level 3 and then 4. The two day classes are on dates that don't work.

 

So what I'm wondering is, will I get the same instruction doing two 1 day classes as doing my level 3 and 4 on a two day class schedule?

 

I heard the 1 day classes have a 3-1 student to instructor ratio.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The material and instruction is the same, the main differences between the single day schools and the 2 day camps are that in a 2 day camp you get more track time - 7 sessions vs 5, and the student/coach ratio is 2:1 vs 3:1, so you get a little more time working with your coach, and there are fewer people on the track. Also for 1 day schools you have the option to use your own bike; at 2 day camps everyone is on school bikes.

 

2 day camps are great, if you can make it to one, but you will not be missing out on any material or instruction by going to single day schools instead.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have done both. They both have their advantages depending on what you are looking for.

 

Two day camps offer a lot more riding. This is an advantage and a disadvantage. The advantage is a lot more track time. The disadvantage is not having much time for other things such as recovering or thinking. It's a very fast paced day.

 

The single days don't offer as much riding but there is more time to think and recover. Its a much more relaxed day. Personally I prefer the single days as I have time to rest and time to think about what I just accomplished and what I need to accomplish the next time out.

 

Either choice you make it's top notch learning. On both the single and two day camps I have always met the goals I had for the day including ones that the coaches came up with during the day. My expectations have always been exceeded.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Once I've completed the level 3/4 camp next spring I'll probably attend some single level 4 days on my own bike until they get tired of seeing me. That said, I think the 2 day camp was a huge benefit to me personally for a number of reasons. 1) knowing that I'll be there for 2 days took some pressure off of me to get it exactly right the first time out - I knew I had a total of 14 track sessions to work on all of it. 2) I really benefited from some great coaching that could really hone in on what I was missing or not doing correctly - I'm not sure it would have been so comprehensive in the one day format. 3) access to the specialty bikes - I got to lock up the front tire on a wet skid pad until I could make it track straight and keep my grip on the bars light and that was a real eye-opener that I don't know if I'd ever have gotten to do otherwise.

 

It was a bit like drinking from a fire hose were some of it blew past my head at first but there's no substitute for actually being out on the track until I got it right. I did all the sessions we had but I felt like if I was too tired or wanted to skip a session on the track to process it a bit, that would have been fine too. At least you have that option in the 2 day where you're only going to get those 5 sessions in a single day and you're done. Somehow, knowing that I had those 14 track sessions over 2 consecutive days for the level 1/2 material was more relaxing to me than if I thought I had one day and done. And finally, I liked the pace of in and out without too much dead time. YMMV.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Urbandaddy;

 

Level IV is personalized but there is still a higher student to coach ratio (3:1 v. 2:1) and only five track sessions at a single day event, regardless of Level. The 2-Day Camp offers a lot more opportunities to hone different skills exactly how PittsDriver posted. You pay more but you get a lot more IMHO.

 

Rainman

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Urbandaddy;

 

Level IV is personalized but there is still a higher student to coach ratio (3:1 v. 2:1) and only five track sessions at a single day event, regardless of Level. The 2-Day Camp offers a lot more opportunities to hone different skills exactly how PittsDriver posted. You pay more but you get a lot more IMHO.

 

Rainman

 

 

'zactly. However, don't let us discourage you from single days. I haven't done one but everyone I know that has said it was the best day on a motorcycle ever. Another thing I'll add is for me, it was a trip away from home with a hotel stay whether I did one or two days. Given that investment of time and money, my thought was to go all in on the two day to get the most from the time commitment away from home/work.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Isn't level 4 more personalized? So why would you get less track time?

 

It is a logistics issue. Typically we are able to use the track from about 9am to 5pm, plus a lunch break. In a single day school, we are rotating three student groups onto the track, with sessions roughly 20 minutes long for each group (plus the transition time it takes to get one group off the track and the next one on), and that gives us time for 5 sessions for each group . In a 2 day camp, there are only 2 student groups, so we are just rotating them back and forth from classroom to track, so we can fit in 7 sessions for each group.

 

(This is all assuming the track is usable the entire day - sometimes weather conditions or safety considerations - like having to relocate a turtle trying to cross the track - can shorten a session.)

 

From a student perspective, in a single day school students are either in classroom, on track, or on a break, but in a 2 day camp it just goes classroom/track/classroom etc. with very little in the way of breaks, other than lunch. It is a busy day, and most riders at a 2 day camp are pretty tired by the end of the day. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So would it make sense during my level 4 day that I could use the break to get on the training bikes?

 

If they are available. Then you have the logistics issue again, being that there may be lvl 1 and lvl 2 students using the off track bikes. My lvl 2 day (one day) I did not have the chance to ride the lean bike, there wasn't enough time before the day ended. I have also spent a 2 day camp trying to ride the brake bike that didn't happen either.

 

I'm booked for two 1 day classes in a row in order to complete my level 3 and then 4. The two day classes are on dates that don't work.

 

So what I'm wondering is, will I get the same instruction doing two 1 day classes as doing my level 3 and 4 on a two day class schedule?

 

I heard the 1 day classes have a 3-1 student to instructor ratio.

Yes you will get the same instruction. Your coach may not have the same amount of time to spend with you as they would at a camp, 3:1 vs 2:1. It's all time and logistics.

Don't worry you will learn plenty and have a fun 2 days.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have never seen a school bike on slicks. The coaches bikes use the higher end Dunlops.

 

As for the "taste of riding on slicks". I have had the chance to borrow a race prepped S1000RR at the track on slicks. At my pace I did not really notice much of a difference with the tires. The bike itself was mind blowing! Unless you are really pushing the limits of DOT tires slicks feel just like any other tire. I loaned my stock S1000RR on Q3's to a professional racer and watched the footage from my onboard camera. It was pretty obvious he was used to the better grip of his slicks as the TC light came on all the time to the point he eventually turned TC off. My bike did things I did not think was possible. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 5 weeks later...

Yes. You will be asked to run Rain Mode for the first session, then after that you will have the option of using Sport mode (assuming you are riding in control and it is not a safety issue.) You can also request Race mode, if you want, but you will need approval from your coach and from course control.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...