gogogusgus Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 In Re Tweek's comment about suspension setup in WHAT TECHNIQUES DOES CSS NOT ... What references are there for suspension setup since Zeigler's How To Fly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweek Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Cool. Is that a book and is it still available? I've Mr. Trevott's book "Sportbike Suspension Tuning" and a few various posts around the internet. I'll probably start putting theory to practice this week as I get my ZX6's suspension set back to where it should be (it's the poor victim of my stupidity). I've also heard that Traxxion has a good DVD that I'll order. However, it's kinda like learning karate by reading a book - it just doesnt quite work. Having an experienced master showing you how and then watching you do it while providing feedback can be worth reading an entire library of books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotfoot Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Dave Moss has some cool suspension videos online, I think they were part of an "On the Throttle" series. If you Google Dave Moss suspension videos you should be able to find them. The part I liked best was him showing worn tires and explaining how different suspension setups would wear the tire differently, it was very enlightening to see the examples and they came across much better on video than they would have in a photo. I agree with Tweek, suspension tuning is complex and nothing compares to working with someone AT THE TRACK, making changes then immediately riding it to get (and then give them) immediate feedback. This may be less expensive than you think - my local track day has a provider on site that for $40 will set you up with a starting point and then allow you to come back throughout the day to give feedback and play with different settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogusgus Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Hotfoot Thanks for the Dave Moss rx. That boy can read a tyre. Was this the one you liked? I like the "baseline" and bracketing concepts, using geom and heat to "heal" a tyre -- and the "Video Answer" to emails ("Cold Tear"), and Agodave_moss_geometrieproblem.tiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogusgus Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Tweek It is. Got it off of Amazon. I've exhausted it and you can have mine. My bad though, it mostly focuses on raceday stuff. Lots of good 1970s hair and robert-plant jeans, plus fun writing -- including "Mind Wobbles" and "Berzerking" which avid readers might recognise. Andy Ibbott on the other hand has an Appendix, "Suspension Education," co-written with Keith Code (where Sag Rules) Has anybody read? Race Tech's Motorcycle Suspension Bible (Motorbooks Workshop) by Paul Thede Paperback $23.09 ? Motorcycle Dynamics (Second Edition) by Vittore Cossalter Paperback $39.06 ? Ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spgtech Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Justin, Yes on the Racetech suspension bible. I recommend it highly. There will be a little overlap with the Sportbike Suspension Tuning book, but it goes so much deeper. Certainly worth the money. -Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Justin, Yes on the Racetech suspension bible. I recommend it highly. There will be a little overlap with the Sportbike Suspension Tuning book, but it goes so much deeper. Certainly worth the money. I found quite an overlap between the two books wen I read them. Personally, I'd go with the Trevitt book alone. (Your milage may vary). I still want Dave Moss on the sideline for trackdays. He's quite hardcore when it comes to reading tyre wear and dialing in suspensions. Here's a great 100minute show where he explains how to read tire wear: Dave Moss Unsprung: Tire Wear Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogusgus Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 However, it's kinda like learning karate by reading a book Tweek I appreciate the book / master distinction. Given the gold-dust nature of tracktime, I wonder how one might make off-track homework and media more impactful? Apple just came out with iBooks Author, which allows one to create rich-content textbooks. Would that offer one way to improve homework I wonder. Ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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