Vitiare Posted July 30, 2012 Report Posted July 30, 2012 Hi all, I've been reading and re-reading the book and watching the video for a while now, but this is my first post. I just saw a video that Im pretty sure shows every SR that Keith mentions in the book. The video starts slightly after what sounds like a rear tire slide/ throttle chop on the most infamous turn on good old Mulholland Drive in So Cal. Take a look at this and see if Im right: I think I have a decent idea of what could have been done to prevent this from happening, but I would love to get some expert opinions on this. Thanks very much for the help and I really appreciate learning how to be a better rider. Thanks!
Hotfoot Posted July 30, 2012 Report Posted July 30, 2012 Hi all, I've been reading and re-reading the book and watching the video for a while now, but this is my first post. I just saw a video that Im pretty sure shows every SR that Keith mentions in the book. The video starts slightly after what sounds like a rear tire slide/ throttle chop on the most infamous turn on good old Mulholland Drive in So Cal. Take a look at this and see if Im right: I think I have a decent idea of what could have been done to prevent this from happening, but I would love to get some expert opinions on this. Thanks very much for the help and I really appreciate learning how to be a better rider. Thanks! Wow. OK, well, let's try to look for the positives: 1) Good news - the perforated gas tank did not generate a spark when sliding over the rocks so the motorcycle was not consumed in a fireball. 2) The rider steered UP the cliff instead of flying off the downhill side. Everything else about it was pretty much a train wreck... and caught on video! Regarding the SRs... you can hear that the throttle chop and you can hear the slide, so that covers SRs 1 and 7. You can see, right before the bike starts climbing the hill, that the rider's arms are completely straight and braced, so that's SR 2. Since the rider stared at, and rode right toward, the big scary rock, that covers 3, 4 and 5. SR 6 probably occurred prior to where the video starts, steering into the turn too early could have been the thing that caused the rider to run wide and then grab the brakes in panic, but it also can be seen during the video where the rider makes NO attempt to steer the bike back onto the road or even away from the rock face. So, yeah, I'd agree that you foudn a video that shows them all!! Did you also notice that the rider took his feet off the pegs? I'd call that another panic reaction, he could easily have broken an ankle or leg trying to put a foot down at that speed. I bet a day at the Superbike School does't sound expensive to that guy NOW, compared to what that crash is gonna cost him.
warregl Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 R6 + big rock = bad things. The rnicky mouse vidoes (while being a bit like crash porn - "Lets watch the idiot do something stupid" ) are like a tutorial on SR's. Education is a powerful thing. ...I bet a day at the Superbike School does't sound expensive to that guy NOW, compared to what that crash is gonna cost him. Most definitely +1. On the plus side he has a nice track bike starter project. And there are less big rocks at the track...
Balistic Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 I don't see what caused him to look out but I see two better outcomes. First would have been left foot forward, cross-up and push the bike down while getting back to throttle and try to stay of the loose cushion. Second would have been to jockey up, lean back and gas it before hitting the big rock with a little left steering to keep the bike upright in the air and maybe have landed it on the cushion. His weight was too far forward and when his head hit the triple clamp he was thrown back and whiskey throttled it loosing all his momentum.
Hotfoot Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 I don't see what caused him to look out but I see two better outcomes. First would have been left foot forward, cross-up and push the bike down while getting back to throttle and try to stay of the loose cushion. Second would have been to jockey up, lean back and gas it before hitting the big rock with a little left steering to keep the bike upright in the air and maybe have landed it on the cushion. His weight was too far forward and when his head hit the triple clamp he was thrown back and whiskey throttled it loosing all his momentum. So - you're saying that if you decide to HIT a boulder with a sportbike, you ought to have a better plan for jumping it, and sticking the landing, is that about right? I'm grinning as I write this because I can totally picture you doing exactly that, and laughing about it afterwards! Seriously, though, the lesson in that for me, is "Don't give up!", because maybe you can still save it... even when it seems to be going badly... What does "whiskey throttled it" mean? Also when you say cross up and push the bike down - you're talking about when he's already in the dirt, right?
mugget Posted August 5, 2012 Report Posted August 5, 2012 Oh man... when I saw this video I was sure that I've now seen it all from that corner! Rnickeymouse's YouTube channel surely is a wealth of information... vicariously crashing so we don't have to make the same mistakes ourselves! He copped a nice headbutt from the screen/triple clamps didn't he? At least it's a good advertisement for full gear... At that point he would have gained more points for pinning the throttle and turning it into an impromptu hill-climb competition! Okay, all jokes aside - Ballistic do you mean try and push the bike down for some quick lean angle/turning to stay on the road? In case you didn't think of that in time, do you think it would be better to try and put the bike down as soon as you get on the dirt? E.g. braking hard on the road and just leaving the brakes on once you hit the dirt to put the bike down? Although that could go down real quick and the rider could easily land on his shoulder and break a collarbone or something.. but then at least you're not carrying speed up a rocky incline! The lesser of two evils and all that... But really we all know that it's better not to get in that situation in the first place!
warthog1984 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Posted August 6, 2012 If anybody wants to analyze it more, rockstorephotos has dedicated an album to high-speed photos of this crash.
Balistic Posted August 6, 2012 Report Posted August 6, 2012 What I meant by push it down and cross up is just a dirt bike technique of getting the bike under you to better control the sliding. Hell yes I would have tried to ride that out, I never quite until I am ejected from the bike. First to hit the loam at the bottom and berm shot it with the power and second to deal with whatever I have to hit/jump to ride it out. You learn very fast in desert riding that you are always somewhere you didn't want to be dealing with an obstacles you would rather not. Whiskey throttle is a term for using the throttle at the wrong time, usually when you are tired in a series of jumps. when his head flung back he grabbed the throttle ( whiskey throttle). In that case it's probably the reason he didn't fly over the front of the bike.
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