anthem Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Posted this in another thread - but this is Canepa at imola on a Ducati 1199r. Stunned at how fast the bike can be quick turned. Makes me really want to go work on quick turning the bike when I get back out on track. He's probably quick turning side to side 2x faster than I'm turning going to one side. . . I mean I see the instructors just quick turning with ease during the school - but seeing it on video gives an entirely different feel to it. . Gotta lot of work to do. . . Imola Almeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred.Rodriguez Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 same here... same here... getting the confidence to get the quick turns/quick flicks is indeed a long road ahead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowDuck Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Whew....yes, that is another universe. One thing I can say is that, even at my level, the biggest improvement I have ever made to my track riding happened when, based on TOTWII and advice here on the forum, I started to steer it in really hard (by my standards). It was a major transformation in how I rode the bike and brought whole seconds off my lap times almost immediately. It took a little bit of trust to believe that I wouldn't break the front loose steering that hard, but once I experienced it it was a true revelation. I was actually grunting from the exertion each time I countersteered. Major breakthrough. Yet, the fellow in the videos makes me look like an overweight senior citizen on a Boss Hog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktk_ace Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 nice videos!!(and i can finally compare how fast i steer IRT sbk tier) id have the confidence to say i only steer 0.1-0.15 seconds slower than them on my beat up 125 dunno how much is attributed to the hardware bottleneck thou (it is a top of the line frameless race prepped 1199R , near or top tech imho) still will get a S1000RR HP4 if i have the resources... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 ktk_ace, can you make an on-board video and post? Would be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktk_ace Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 ktk_ace, can you make an on-board video and post? Would be interesting to see. still trying to get a camera on my bike, $$$$ is my main hurdle ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Ace PMed me a video, and although the quality was rather poor, I can tell you that he really waste no time getting his scooter turned I'm quite impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w0ngster Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I often visit the supermoto/gokart tracks here in socal. Just so happens max biaggi visits them quiet frequently. Especially at adams, there are very quick chicanes... Seeing how a pro quick flicks the bike is truly amazing....Max quick flicks the bike so fast that his front tire lifts off the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 There is a reason why some are world champions and virtually everybody is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I've been almost lifting the rear wheel under flicks... I don't understand how he can lift the front wheel just from flicking the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Loading the front followed by unloading You can lift the front by going too quickly off the brakes while trail-braking, so I would expect the same can happen with a violent steering input. They use quite a bit of spring and not much rebound on race bikes, meaning the front will rebound very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khp Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thanks for the explanation, Eirik. but I'm still having a hard time understanding how he can change direction without the front wheel on the ground? - moving body mass from side to side doesn't do much for steering. Maybe I've just been away from riding too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think he first change the direction, then the front goes airborne for a split second as the turning load is removed and replaced by relaxed arms. The wheel will touch down quickly and he can continue his trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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