Quick Turn

[anthem]

Posted this in another thread - but this is Canepa at imola on a Ducati 1199r. Stunned at how fast the bike can be quick turned. Makes me really want to go work on quick turning the bike when I get back out on track. He's probably quick turning side to side 2x faster than I'm turning going to one side. . .

 

I mean I see the instructors just quick turning with ease during the school - but seeing it on video gives an entirely different feel to it. .

 

Gotta lot of work to do. . .

Imola

 

Almeria

[Alfred.Rodriguez]

same here... same here... getting the confidence to get the quick turns/quick flicks is indeed a long road ahead...

[YellowDuck]

Whew....yes, that is another universe.

 

One thing I can say is that, even at my level, the biggest improvement I have ever made to my track riding happened when, based on TOTWII and advice here on the forum, I started to steer it in really hard (by my standards). It was a major transformation in how I rode the bike and brought whole seconds off my lap times almost immediately. It took a little bit of trust to believe that I wouldn't break the front loose steering that hard, but once I experienced it it was a true revelation. I was actually grunting from the exertion each time I countersteered. Major breakthrough.

 

Yet, the fellow in the videos makes me look like an overweight senior citizen on a Boss Hog.

[ktk_ace]

nice videos!!(and i can finally compare how fast i steer IRT sbk tier)

id have the confidence to say i only steer 0.1-0.15 seconds slower than them on my beat up 125

 

 

dunno how much is attributed to the hardware bottleneck thou (it is a top of the line frameless race prepped 1199R , near or top tech imho)

 

still will get a S1000RR HP4 if i have the resources...

[faffi]

ktk_ace, can you make an on-board video and post? Would be interesting to see.

[ktk_ace]

ktk_ace, can you make an on-board video and post? Would be interesting to see.

 

still trying to get a camera on my bike, $$$$ is my main hurdle ...

[faffi]

Ace PMed me a video, and although the quality was rather poor, I can tell you that he really waste no time getting his scooter turned I'm quite impressed!

[w0ngster]

I often visit the supermoto/gokart tracks here in socal. Just so happens max biaggi visits them quiet frequently. Especially at adams, there are very quick chicanes... Seeing how a pro quick flicks the bike is truly amazing....Max quick flicks the bike so fast that his front tire lifts off the ground

[faffi]

There is a reason why some are world champions and virtually everybody is not

[khp]

I've been almost lifting the rear wheel under flicks... I don't understand how he can lift the front wheel just from flicking the bike.

[faffi]

Loading the front followed by unloading You can lift the front by going too quickly off the brakes while trail-braking, so I would expect the same can happen with a violent steering input. They use quite a bit of spring and not much rebound on race bikes, meaning the front will rebound very fast.

[khp]

Thanks for the explanation, Eirik. but I'm still having a hard time understanding how he can change direction without the front wheel on the ground? - moving body mass from side to side doesn't do much for steering.

 

Maybe I've just been away from riding too long

[faffi]

I think he first change the direction, then the front goes airborne for a split second as the turning load is removed and replaced by relaxed arms. The wheel will touch down quickly and he can continue his trajectory.