Cobie Fair
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There are a couple of shots in the video where his superior corner speed and riding skill is pretty obvious.
But, don't feel bad, Cobie. When going head to head with a fat old guy like you on a 600 truck (
), you have to consider his diminutive stature (little guy) and the superior cornering potential of his machine.All in all, he's a very lucky kid to have so much support and experience at such an early age.
Fat? Old? Pleaaaase, I've been in the middle of a mid-life crisis since I was 16!
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Aprilia are offering a RS125 for the track at a price much lower than a new 600, is that the bike to buy for just track work?James.
this should get you there: http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.php?showtopic=1232
125 GP bikes are just awesome for cornering. But finding out about the maintenance, and what you have to learn to make them (and keep them) running correctly is wise. If you just want t a bike to flog on the track (track days), it has pluses and minuses.
CF
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Sure, Cobie.
thanks racer.
CF
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Ok ...I will give it a try..since EVERYONE seems to do it there has to be something to it
steve dI don't always wear them when I street ride (my helmet is pretty quiet too), but my bike has a stock pipe (stealth mode works fine for me here
), but for sure do on the track. And I sure would if I was taking a long ride. I just find it easier to keep my attention on what I'm doing. -
Haven't been much of a car racing fan, but didn't they recently take traction control from F-1?
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it's amazing how little track there really is with cold tires. Bet one of the match guys could put a number on that.
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cool stuff, thanks for posting that.
CF
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Chuckwalla Raceway coming to Desert Center, CA. Phase 1 opens in '09.
http://chuckwallavalleyraceway.net/LWC_002...dImages/bcr.pdf
Thanks, hadn't heard about that one yet. Looks like they still have a way to go on it yet.
CF
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I think I have too much weight on the front. Throttle seems to relieve it. Thanks for the suggestions.
Are the tire profiles different than what you had before?
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As a beginning track rider, I find that I tend to hold steady speed / throttle until after the apex, at which point I slowly begin to accelerate. I just don't have the experience or comfort level to apply it any earlier. On page 25, the question of "when" is addressed, and the answer is "as soon as possible". Not at, right before, or right after the apex, but as soon as possible and AFTER steering is completed.
For me (at my level), making sure I am riding the correct line is easier without the application of additional throttle
Why practice one way, and do it "for real" another?
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Yeah it makes sense... Well I have not ridden on a 600, so I don't know about it, only bike I rode on was Suzuki 250Gn, as far as shifting, it's all the same , braking (more pressure on the front, not to much on the back brakes). I guess the engine braking of a 600 is something that I will have to accustom too and of course the heavy weight when it comes to the turns. I'm 1.73cm so I guess 600 won't be that tall for me ?. I might look like an ass going to Level I without 600 pre experience, but I rather look like an ass riding safely and correct than an ass riding without any life saving knowledge. Who knows what will be, So i', aming down the positive thinking
Sounds like you will be fine on a 600.
And, just so you know, everyone starts at Level 1.
CF
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The MotoGP and WSBK bikes are completely different. That is the GP 990's and WSBK bikes. When they went to 800's, I knew Hayden wouldn't do well, and as soon as I saw what Stoner did with the Duc while Hayden struggled on the Honda, knew that was the only way he could be competitive again. And a year later.....
I did think Hayden was going to WSBK. He could be the first to win both MotoGP and WSBK titles if he doesn't do well on the Ducati.
By the by, a couple years ago Bayliss did ride as a MotoGP fill in, and dominated. If I remember right he won. I know he did podium. Isn't Toseland going back to WSBK?
I wonder how much has to do with the crew chief too. Look at the guys that have been multi-time world champs: they all had someone there (Kenny had Kel, Wayne had Kenny and the other guys--Warren Willig I think?) Freddie had Erv. Doohan had Burgess, as has Rossie and I tihnk Gardner too.
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NY Dude,
Those corners begin with a fast decreasing radius (kinda long at the beginning), and then leads into another decresing radius. The fast guys were braking most of the way through the first turn, maybe cracking it on a little at the end (for sure not rolling) for the 2nd turn. Too much throttle, run wide going into the short straight, no?
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There may be some confusion in this discussion, Cobie. Jaybird and I aren't talking about accelerating through a corner, just putting on enough gas to maintain a speed. I never accelerate INTO a corner. That, I would agree, would probably require you to have nobbies on the bike.
And I LOVE braking deep into decreasing radius turns. Lots of passing opportunities.
Love to have you both at the track for a day. I hear what you boys are saying, but....like to see it in action and then do a comparison.
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That's great. Can't wait to see him in the pro's.
It doesn't really do proper justice to the kid's corner speed. He was untouchable in a tight section at the Streets of Willow. He came past me going into Turn 4, and I just laughed out loud in my helmet, fantastic.
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Just read the original post, and what bikes make better cornering/training machines: that could open it up a bit, as the best cornering bike, might not be the best training bike (at least for a broad spectrum of riders).
125 gp bike, I think they rule hte roost for outright cornering. I was astounded (and re-astounded) when we had the 125 GP bike school going for a while in the late 90's. Cornering speed--OMG!!!!
Get off one of those, and ride a 600 streetbike and you think you have gone from a nice sports car to a clunky 1-ton truck (yes, I said 1-ton). Pigs, huge, heavy, all fail to describe it accurately.
If you ever get a chance to ride a 125, do it, it's amazing. And I saw some big guys get on those little bikes.
CF
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You gotta love the Italian guys and their passion for racing (and just going fast I think).
Remember Cagiva, and how how they struggled for so long to get back on the box (well, Ducati now). Those guys are good for motorcycling in general.
And what might be a little known fact, but Keith is part Italian!
CF
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did my first track day post CSS at buttonwillow... It was amazing to see the progress that I made since the corse. My comfidence in the bike and my ability to ride it has improved so much. (got my knee down for the first time ;-)
How do you attach a photo!? I have some, will post as soon as I figure it out.
I cant wait to break through my next riding barrior!
Gorlok,
Excellent! And nice job on getting the knee down.
Good question on how to post, I will find out (I should know, I know, I know....) Maybe Racer knows...Jaybird....?
CF
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Hi Scott,
Nice! Jump right in, and welcome to the forum at the same time. Laguna is a fun track, we should have good schools there on those days.
If you get a moment, come say hello to me, I'll be there.
Best,
Cobie
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NYDude,
I love to visit NY, but for the riding weather, hard to beat this end of the country. Very few days one can't ride here. Does it make me a jerk for rubbing it in? (I guess I'm not above it a little
).The GSX-R, hard to complain about that bike, they can sure work well.
Glad you got out of the closet and posted, keep it up!
Best,
Cobie
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What we need as far as experience is concerned is they are comfortable with the control actions of the motorcycle: they are not worried or thinking about how to shift, or using the brakes, etc.
Usually if they have ridden for 6 months or so that is enough. Our school bikes are 600 cc, you would also need to be able to be comfortable on a bike that big, and that the size would not be a problem (some riders are short). For most people, it is no problem.
Does that all make sense to you?
Cobie
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hellomy name is alex and i write you from francei m new here ,the reason why i m here is that i want to make a very big present to my wife..we are both crazy about motorcycling,i want to give her this present...go to united states and practice moto with a good school.she makes some local races in france...and she is pretty good on driving!can somebody help me with the travel and prices and all the rest......i have already sent a mail to the school answering if there is a complete pakage with the travel hotel and school...i hope you can answer me..thank you very muchbest regards from francecheersalex
Hi Alex,
Welcome to the forum, and wow, what a surprise that will be!
We don't have any packages that we offer that have the hotels, etc., included, but we can provide you with hotel information, directions on where to go, and also you would need to rent a car while you are here.
Please contact the office, and they will be able to help you: whitney@superbikeschool.com. If you need anything, you can always e-mail me directly: cobie@superbikeschool.com.
What a surprise
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Cobie
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I'm new here and I just want to say hello. I'm Carita, who rides a Ducati 1098S in my homecountry Sweden. I've been riding motorcycles on track for nearly 10 years and have done, this year, all Levels of CSS at Almeria and Ascari, Spain. I'm still learning, and riding is joy in life... /Carita
Hi Carita,
Welcome to the board, glad you are here. Never been to Sweden, love to visit it some time. I guess as it's November, the riding season is over for you? When you went to Spain, did you ride your bike at the school, or use one of the school bikes?
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Cobie
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Hi Nainoa,
You've got a good approach overall, makes sense. Level 1 and Level 2 of the school would be right on the money for you, with the things you want to do and improve on. We don't have any more schools in SoCal this year, just Laguna, Vegas, and Sears Pt. If it doesn't work out to get to one of those, then the best thing will be the Twist of the Wrist books.
Twist 1 and 2 are totally different, both excellent, and covering different subjects. There is a DVD on Twist 1 also, and a DVD is being edited for Twist 2, but not done yet.
Keith's books are excellent, clearly written and illustrated, and can be taken a piece at a time.
If you already have them, I'll shut up.
They will also prepare you nicely for coming to the schools, give you a ncie head start.
Let us know if we can help with anything or you have any questions at all.
Best,
Cobie
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Bummer.
Better luck next time!
Yes for sure better luck next time. I hate electrical gremlins
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), you have to consider his diminutive stature (little guy) and the superior cornering potential of his machine.
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Hello and welcome. Want to introduce yourself? What do you do, and what kind of bike do you have? What are the roads like in Greece (obviously never been there).
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Cobie