Cobie Fair
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Just to clear up one point that Kevin brought up earlier (I believe he was referring to "Hook Turn"). Hook turn is how one can use one's body to affect the bike well, or adversly, wi/out using the bars.
Level 3 goes into serious detail on the different aspects of the bike/rider relationship. Both of these subjects, Hook Turn and Pivot Steering, are gone over in detail and also other techniques.
There isn't as much on Hook Turns in Twist 2, but there will be more to see in the new TWIST 2 DVD. Man, I know I've said it, but can't wait for that darn thing to get done.
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he did shake his hand on the podium but refused in parc feme after the race! it is big news in our weekly motorcycle news, It has Stoner saying Ive lost respect for one of the greatest riders in history!
OK showing my ignorance-- what is "in parc feme?"
C
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Things are going very well. I try to apply everything we practiced with every ride I take. Some seem to come better than others but I'm working on them.
I think I'm going to come back to Barber in August for a 1 day session, hope to see you there.
Come and say hello if you do, YooiY and I will be there
Cobie
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Cobie,
The goal is to come here and to see for yourself.
I like to see Costa Rica as the 1984 Atari game "paperboy" .
Richard
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Wouldn't mind a trip down there--but with all the travel we are doing currently, its not soon to happen I think.
Best,
C
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On our student bikes, Dunlop Qualifiers, we run 30 front, 28 rear. On the older style slicks (not the new low pressure N-tech), we run 29 rear, 31 front.
We commonly see tire presssures way off--either too high or too low (mostly too high). If it's too high, it will just reduce the contact patch. The tires on the sides of the tire are for 2 up, loaded to the max, hot day pressures.
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Good picture. That would be a challenge with the throttle, wouldn't it? Wonder what that concrete is like, if one could transistion easily on/off it. Looks like a fairly classic double apex type of turn.
C
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We didn't even see or know about Stoner not wanting to shake Rossi's hand--was that on the tele?
I thought they were both going at it hammer and tong, neither giving an inch, I don't know what Casey is on about.
I did read something today about him in our Cycle News, in that he has befriended the young American I think it's JD Beach, who has done well in the Red Bull Cup. Anyway, the magazine reported that Stoner helps Beach with his riding and that Beach stays with him in his motor home and sometimes at his home in Monaco. I just thought that cool someone as young as Stoner reaching out to help a younger racer.
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Well we watched it in our local pub (bar to you) and even people who have never seen Moto gp before were rivetted to it, shame Stoner dropped it before the end. Also Lorenzo was looking good in the short time he stayed upright.. maybe he could do with attending the school to hone his undoubted talent! I did however take exception to Stoners comments about Vale's riding, i didn't see anything dangerous or out of order, actually just proper racing as it used to be.
We didn't even get an interview with Stoner and Valentino and Chris---a very short one right before the podium with Rossi only. TV coverage in this country pretty much sucks. If they even commented on the lap times, and compared them to qaulifying, I missed it.
Half our crew was up at the race, I was back home watching on the tube. Man, I think I scared my kids I was yelling and hollering like a fool (or an enthusiast). That pass Rossi did on the inside of the exit of the Corkscrew was magnificent. He just used it like it was another part of the track, masterful.
Stoner rides well no doubt, but the pressure that Rossi kept up was virtually flawless, and Stoner just cracked after a while.
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Thanks those are nice too. Thanks for the input.
Let us know which way you go, and what you think about them.
Best,
Cobie
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I have recently been working on my throttle control and am getting quite good at following the rule ( once the throttle is cracked on, it is rolled evenly, smoothly, and constantly throughout the remainder of the turn) doing this makes my bike feel great!
I have been thinking about the exceptions to this rule and what to do then as next month I am going to the nurburgring nordshlief for our annual bike trip, I dont know if anyone on here is familiar with the track but the carousel is 180 degree banked turn and wondered, would this be one of the exceptions to the rule and if so what should be done?
Also what other exceptions do people encounter and how do you deal with them without upsetting the bike?
Don't know that turn specifically. You have probably read the exeptions in Twist 2 on not being able to roll the throttle on, on pages 20 and 22, so not going to transcribe those here. What about this turn makes you think you can't---too fast at the end? Is there a drawing of this turn we could get up here?
Cobie
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Cobie,
Thanks for the reply.
Every tear they make a competition outside of Escazu where they make a dirt track with jumps. Different from speed racing, yet still entertaining.
But, there is a group of Costa Rican hells angles that ride to the beach every Sunday. They take up a whole lane of the highway at 6am.It is a sight to see.
Richard
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Right, not quite what I had in mind! Hope you do get a chance to ride on a real track at some point. Not having to worry about other things, cars, dogs, cops, surface, is quite an experience.
Best,
Cobie
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Hehe, I get your drift for sure. If you read through that thread in the cbrxx forum, you will notice that I pointed out this as well.
Ain't no use in sliding the entire butt off the saddle unless the upper body follows. We're definately on the same page here, I guess we just kinda talked past each other. By "hanging off" I mean moving both the lower AND the upper body to the inside. I could have been a little more specific there, but I assumed that you read my comments in the cbrxx thread (I go by 'Leftlaner' there too).. Cheers!
Got it, I didn't read the whole thing (cbr thread), and we do get his at the School a lot. Guys hang off (often way too much) with their lower body, and counter lean with their upper body, big time. Can create a lot of problems!
Best,
C
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Thats how I used to do it too, have found using the arch on yre outside foot on the peg with the heel turning inward sets a better anchor between the peg and tank.
Yeah im not that tall either and was using the upmost position on adjustable rearset.
The more I have checked the leaning off it seems that I am not managing to lock my knee in effectively which is making my upper body unstable & start swinging which is the reason I keep bringing my inner knee into the tank to try to gain more grip / control.
So how fast do you quick turn & do you need your knee as a gauge before you do quick turning? Am I right in thinking that the fast turning has to coincide with later corner entry or can that be countered by less lean?
Quick turning can be done at any time, no hanging off needed. If you quick turn, can you have a later corner entry? Is that a plus? Will you lean it less if you quick turn? (the complete answers are in Twist 2, but maybe you've already seen that?).
Cobie
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Hello out there in moto land. I am in the market for some rear sets. I really like what Sato has to offer, but I was surfing Craigslist and ran across a company called Bohemian Racing. They make what looks to be a really good and afordible rear sets. Has any body heard of these guys before? Here is the website if any body cares to looke and let me know. Bohemianracing.com
Someone else was asking about rearsets, and Will suggested they check out Woodcraft. Don't know anything about these.
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I go in with the goal of keeping the bike up to maximize my speed, and work on my body position to help
4. inside foot tucked in on ball of foot, outside foot weighting peg on arch of foot
One comment on this item, #4: I can't do it this way, my legs are too short. I've got to put the ball of my foot on the peg, and actually flex it upwards. Maybe with really tall rearsets it could work, but not on a stock bike.
Any others on tihs?
C
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Hi all.
Well, I finally pushed the button on doing a track school and it will be the Mid Ohio 2 day camp on Aug 6 and 7. Can't wait!!
Been riding almost 2 years now and I'm wanting to improve all my skills. Lack of confidence is what I see as my main hinderence right now.
While I'm still a bit of a noob with bikes, I'm no kid at 49.
Right now my steeds are a couple of oldies: an "82 Yami Maxim 750 and an '84 Honda Sabre 700. Both bikes have been good for a beginner like me and I've been learning to do some wrenching as well. I expect to be getting something more modern in the not too distant future, but I really want to feel that I can confidently ride my present bikes a bit closer to their fullest extent...hence: school. I know full well that the kind of bikes we'll be training are light years ahead of my old girls, but the principles should be the same and good habits should work well on any bike. That's the thoery anyway...
Is anyone else here planning on the mid Oh camp?
Tim
Hi Tim,
Well, sorry I missed this until now, but welcome to the forum, and glad you are coming to Mid-Ohio. It really is one of my favorite tracks, there is lots going on there, you won't get bored and 2-day camp is about the ideal way to learn it.
You are 100% right, what we are going to train you on will transfer directly to your bikes, no problem at all. The new bikes work great, and the modern 600's are a terrifica package and balance, they just do everything well.
I'll be there, come and say hello when you arrive.
Best,
Cobie Fair
Chief Riding Coach
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After reading a few threads, I wanted to introduce myself to this community. The rain forest has many tight turns and narrow streets. Chickens, ducks, cows and pigs can pop out at any minute. It is actually more dangerous to ride outside of the city.
Good advice here. Thanks for the tips.
Best regards,
Richard
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Hi Richard,
Sorry I missed this earlier, but welcome (as Rick already did--thanks Rick).
Is there a track in Costa Rica?
Best,
Cobie
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Hummm.. He said that the hard parts were scraping till the point where his rear wheel was lifted up. He simply ran out of ground clearance. Looking at the pictures, it seems to me that his BP is waaay off (but I'm by far no expert!).. Sure, there could be OTHER things contributing to this crash as well I guess. But all in all I just can't help thinking that this crash might have been saved if he had moved the combined CG more inwards/downwards..??
Please, enlighten me..?
LFO= Low Flying Object
OK, I need to clarify: he for sure ground out that's clear, I understand that. But lets define hanging off as moving the torso/butt off to the inside, even a little bit, even if one doesn't move the knee out.
The mass of a person's body is above the waist, so what we often see is a rider hanging off with the lower body, but not the upper. In fact, they COUNTER lean with the upper body. When that happens, too much lean angle is used, that should not be used. He counter leans his upper body, its apparent in the photo.
We had a great example of this a while back: 2 coaches, one newish, one seasoned. The coach in front was doing a lap, going his best pace, dragging a knee in every turn. Coach in back was making a game of following, but not hanging off AT ALL, ZERO--he stayed centered on the seat. He touched nothing down anywhere, and followed the coach in front.
This can really make a huge difference, and we work on this a lot at the schools.
Make sense?
Best,
Cobie
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Just thought I'd share this with you guys. I participate in a forum dedicated to the Honda CBR1100XX, and a thread regarding a track day crash was recently added..
http://www.cbrxx.com/general-cbr-xx-discus...crash-ouch.html
Looks like someone should be attending CSS level 1 before going LFO on the track, huh?
Leftlaner,
I had a look at the pictures, and here is the thing: I don't think him not hanging off was the reason for the crash, and him thinking that is the REAL and sole cause could lead him in the wrong direction to fix it. Maybe he'd like to come over here and we could go over it? I'm not going to tackle another forum right now
Also, what is LFO?
Best,
Cobie
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Hey guys & gals,
I'm trying to get some info on your tech inspections the day of the school so I can make sure myself that everything is in good shape. What do you look for typically in your inspections? IE, a minimum brake pad thickness, or tread depth in the tires?
Thanks, and looking forward to riding with you guys in September!
Hi RUCrash,
What we are looking for is a good sound motorcycle: no oil leaks, all controls work well, throttle returns nicely, chain adjusted properly, enough tire tread (both on the sides as well as the center), not worn excessively or cupped or bald/old/dried out, bodywork is well attached, etc. Coolant doen't need to be changed, mirrors can be removed (recommended), or we'll tape them at the track, along with the other glass (headlight, tail light, turn signals). Brakes should of course work well, steering not bound up by mis-routed cables.
That's an overview. If you need tires, and are registered for the school, we can sell you a set at a great price. We can sell you another set when you leave, same preat price--but, this is only for people registered for the schools. That applies to Qualifiers, Sportmax GP also. Shipped direct from the factory (you know they are fresh), or possibly mounted at the school--must call in advance to organize that though.
Let us know if you need to know anything else, and see you at the school!
Best,
Cobie
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Thanks all for your advice. I think I'll be enrolling myself in a CSS Level 1 course as soon as and just try to relax on the bike!
Cheers again!
Hi Jay R, and welcome to the forum. It's pretty common at the school that we get riders that are better on one side than the other. We do work on this quite a bit at the school, but in the mean time, the Twist 2 book has quite a bit of information on steering (8 chapters in fact), this could give you a place to start.
Let us know if you have any questions on that stuff, and how your "rights" go.
Best,
Cobie
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is there race's on the 5 and 6th of aug?? or were you guys talking about on the 1st-3rd ama?? maybe drive down earlier
AMA are the first - third of Aug, we are there on the days after, 4 days 4-7th.
Best,
C
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Clutchless downshifts--I've been doing it steadily for some years every bike I ride and my personal coach bike, my fastest rider had done it for longer than that, no transmissioin problems, zero.
The mistakes that can be made are this:
1. Holding pressure against the shift lever for long periods of time, for no reason (some bikes it can cause damage).
2. If you get a false neutral, and the engine spins up DO NOT STOMP IT INTO GEAR. That's bad, best to pull the clutch in at that point, or get the rpms in the right range, just dont' stomp it in.
C
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i been readn totw 1 and im mainly trien to picture lean angles, and was curious on tire patchs during leaning. like i see straight up and down, the large patch is going to depend on wieght ratio front/back braking to acceleration and how your on the bike. but during lean angles like mabe if your going slow it wouldnt be as much, but the more centrificle force/ acceleration you put down would increase patch size, by pressure on the tire or would it, espiecailly for banking?
It's a good question, and maybe we can get some tire data up here on what happens when a bike is loaded. The new GP tires and Superbike slicks are running low tire pressures (12-16?). For sure when the bike is leaned over, on modern tires there is more rubber on the ground too.
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So, Has Anybody Seen A Better Race (on Us Soil At Least) Recently Than
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I read that, and it didn't seem that bad to me. But I didn't SEE what he did, or refusing the handshake.
There were some aggressive passes for sure, but Rossi ran off on the right hand downhill of the Corkscrew and when he came back on, I didn't think he used up too much track. One of my coaches was in the Corkscrew at the time, and he said Stoner just rolled off and watched Rossi, and that he could have passed him at that time.
I unfortunately deleted the thing, so can't go back and review it (I know, that was dumb, my wife already busted me on it).
C