Jaybird180

Congrats to you too.

I think he was theorizing on ways to get better data to give feedback to the rider in his training and use of the motorcycle. I think I will follow along and see where this goes.

Tuesday nite, my wife and I finally had our little girl. We didn't know boy/girl before and are happy she's now here. We named her Nia; and yes, daddy will teach her to ride motorcycles and fly airplanes. But I'm one happy daddy.

I watched the video all the way through and the end he talks about the clutch. I used to ride with a guy who had the habit of covering the clutch. On a fairly simple turn, he crashed on the outside of the turn. One factor was no power going to the rear tire with the clutch in. Seems that Ty Howard is more interested in teaching evasive riding than skills the novice trackday junkie will be able to utilize out of the box. Side Note- Didn't he do some AMA racing a few years back?

Electric Bikes won't need chain and sprokets, DIRECT DRIVE with small rare earth magnets my friend. Rocket Punch- Love the Avatar.

Agreed that this is a good question and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is unsure of low-speed countersteering. I recall reading something Keith wrote about stability speed, etc but I don't have my books (in storage-arghhhhghh). What am I missing here? Toss me a bone man. Well, I don't have a bone to toss you. I think it's down to your own observation now. You can try it with 1/10th scale model motorcycles and feel how the motorcycle moves in your fingers, you can try it on your bicycle, you can try it on your motorcycle. Does anything happen prior to the front wheel turning in the direction of the turn? You could also get the Twist II DVD, it shows counter-steering in detail there. Its funny how you mentioned the model motorcycle. I have an 1/8th scale RC motorcycle that is built with mostly the same geometry as a full size sportbike (with small adjustments to the triple clams). Sense the rider weight doesn't move around or push the bike in any way all lean angle/cornering adjustments need to be made by counter-steering alone. Once I reach the desired lean angle I have to let go of the steering wheel and it maintains whatever lean angle that I set it to last with no steering inputs what so ever. If I want it to turn sharper then I simply have to counter-steer to make it lean lower and again release the steering input when the lean angle is reached. Its very fun to experiment with this thing because there is no rider inputs or any rider "feel" to get in the way of how the motorcycle works. Almost like a small version of the No BS bike . I can drive this motorcycle anywhere from 3mph to 40mph and counter-steering works the same exact way. There are no variables that a rider can create to get in the way of how it works. Fajita Dave's experiment is enough for me to consider the myth "busted".

Agreed that this is a good question and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is unsure of low-speed countersteering. I recall reading something Keith wrote about stability speed, etc but I don't have my books (in storage-arghhhhghh). What am I missing here? Toss me a bone man.

I watched the entire video including his incredibly long intro....I think we need another video (or maybe I'm the only one that needs another video); he wasn't very stable in his weavy movy motion.

Most transmissions won't allow this. AND it's easy to miss a gear if yours does. Why not learn it one way and do it that way each time?

I thought the U-turn was done straight vertical (or nearly as much as possible).

This Thread on Reference Points turned up some jewels (er....I mean jems) http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.ph...20&hl=Steer

Perhaps this should be the Best of the Decade thread, then I'd throw in the Legendary Trailbraking thread.

Hi Round, Somethhing that you'd want to be very aware of, and that is adding the 2 together!!!!!!!! Both throttle and lean angle changes (adding more) at the same time is the DEADLY COMBO!!! One goes right past the normal warning signs from the tires and bike. The slides are often un-recoverable. Looks to me exactly how Lorenzo did some of his big highsides (and this with the best bike, best tires, best electronics, and near best rider). I second your observation Cobie. I've been studying Lorenzo's crashes and I also think it's his bain. Really? How about a 4 year old child riding a bicycle on training wheels, training wheels raised, do they experience counter steer? What about this, when balancing a bicycle or motorcycle, while completely stopped, if the bike starts falling to the left which way do you turn the bars? To the left or the right? Greg- I see your point, but what happens when we do a slow-speed U-turn a-la MSF parking lot? We weigh the outside of the bike (but I don't recall them teaching to weigh either peg).

Feel ya bro

Perhaps this is Rossi's advice to the likes of Casey Stoner (ha ha ha ha)....the Master of head games at work.

When you say slow turns, how slow are we talking here? There is a point below where countersteering doesn't turn the bike. With that said, I doubt you're below that speed are are likely to find your answers in Bullet's response AND may need a geometry adjustment.

We've had some great discussions this year and some that were so-so. Anyone care to nominate some threads that they feel were of the best of 2009?

I've only done level 1 and 2, adding to the confusion.

I recall the class lecture done by Dylan where he showed a video of himself going knee down on one side and then the other in about a half second! IIRC he was @ Infineon in the video. My memory is fuzzy on the purpose of this discussion...was this the prelude to the Quick Turn drill? How much does bike setup in terms of geometry matter when attempting to flick this quickly? It's New Year's eve and I'm posting on the forum....anybody need a life? (LOLOLOLOL)

What you typically see on TV is the application of different techniques. As I understand things, CSS teaches a building block approach to riding that may not always coincide with what we see on TV. And like you I understand that the goal is to get on the throttle as soon as turning is completed and lean angle is established.

More complicated you say! HA!....Ride the Bimmer, I say. Easy choice.

Stuman, Your response was both sobering yet inspirational.

I get the impression that you guys don't think this is important? (sigh......) I see it as Rider A enters at 80 mph, Rider B enters at 60mph. They both get on the gas at an established apex. Who completes the turn first and is back down the straight?

The only time I use my speedo is on the street. Thanks for suggesting visual drills. This was something I was working on prior to my L1/L2

The question above being can you only vary speed and change the exit point and if this is a good way of determining that you've gotten the speed right? Here's another scenario to help illuminate my question (cause I have a feeling that I'm not asking the right question to begin with): I have a practice area nearby that I like to run. The first turn has a nice sweeping right turn, 3 lanes wide. One day, about a year ago, I spent several hours riding this area, no brakes. Once I felt I had a good line (TP and apex) and TC, the only thing I tried to vary was the entry speed. I continually tried to push myself to increase the entry without much success. Looking back, I know I didn't do something right because I was able to only push the entry about 6mph without causing an SR, but got the exit speed up about 15mph, regardless of the entry speed and my exit point became tighter and tighter. During this exercise, I wanted to focus on throttle control and in that area I was satisfied with my discipline, but dissatisfied with my entry speed. I have no way of convincing myself that I can push the entry speed higher, which was causing the SR (hunting eyes, narrowed vision, feelings of uncertainty). I'd get the entry speed up a few MPH, then back down to where it was comfortable the prior lap. I had no problems once leaned over, getting on the gas earlier or harder. How do I correct the misjudgment in sense of entry speed (feeling of too fast)? And as ACE mentioned, what is that little voice saying to us that we could have gone faster? Why is he so late?