Jaybird180

In an interview he said that he continues to push when he shouldn't to try and make up time, because he wants to win. I guess he feels he has something to prove. Aggressive was my word to summarize all that he said in interview. Results show that Rossi is smarter. Lorenzo has talent, for sure. But I think it's the intangible thing, maturity that's the difference. I'm glad that you pointed out that TC can be defeated. It's not fool-proof. If it were, Honda wouldn't pay Dani Pedrosa what they pay him....they'd pay me instead 1/10th of his salary for the same results. But I'd fool them....they'd never get those results outta me (LOL).

I'm waiting for dbtriple to provide reference for this account. I have the video on PVR (recorded from SPEED) and will try and find some time to watch it again tonight, but in order to really see you have to watch the whole race as they show different angles during the race. Cobie- Everyone knows that you were going there (LOL) with the lean angle/ throttle concept. Do you really think it's the source of all of Lorenzo's issues? He seems to think that he's too aggressive. I wonder why the multi-million dollar traction control can't catch the slide and reduce power fast enough to put the bike back inline. I'm sure they have lean angle, throttle and steering sensors wired into the bike. If that were the case, his engineers and riding coaches would have given him the "bad boy" finger. But this is purely assumptive on my part. Ace has something there, but again TC can be abrupt or smooth. They have it so that it can control any number of cylinders' ignition cutout. With the M1's ride-by-wire throttle it can do much more, and quicker than a human hand...so it seems kinda sketchy to me.

I may watch it again. But I thought the front went away from him first. The bike sort-of went sideways in a weird way, which is why I was thinking mechanical malfunction.

It looked to me that after he hit Hayden (Lorenzo's left/ Hayden's right), that he tried to keep going. He steered and QT'd it down to his right knee. A few moments later, there were sparks and he was off the bike. My theory is that he had a malfunction with the front end, which caused the collision and subsequent lowside. It didn't look like a typical power-slide on the side of a cold tire. Once he was down, there was a violent tumble and considering the bike was in front of him and sliding away from him also confirms a lowside. I think the bike then snagged on the curbing and basically self-destructed.

Fajita Dave- What's the record?

No where else to post this -Mods- If you have a better place, please move/ delete at your discretion Although I'm not a Buell rider, I'm truly sad to hear that H-D had decided to cease production of the Buell line of motorcycles. http://blog.motorcycle.com/2009/10/15/moto...cles-shut-down/ First American Honda pulls out of roadracing and now this. What's the world coming to??? I'm truly sad.

Does the energy expended there make it worth the while? And if it were so, how many have the mental ability to do it the right amount (like rear braking)?

Really good question. I think I have good feel mid-corner and on exit. Turn-in sometimes feel vague.

If you are confident that you have eliminated technique deficiencies, what remains?

I never had peg feelers on. I have been able to go knee down without a clearance issue (only on the upgraded suspension, never tried on the stock stuff, but probably would have dragged hard parts). I have aftermarket rearsets now.

The October 09 issue of Sport Rider has an article about Lorenzo's assault on the MotoGP field. There is one interesting passage that reads on pp 96 "The older guard of American Grand Prix stars - Roberts, Lawson, Rainey, Schwantz - are amused by the "closed throttle highsides", the term given to the corner entry crashes. To them, the current riders are simply rolling into the corner with too much entry speed and too much faith in the bike's electronics." I am curious as to HOW can you highside a bike off the gas? Doesn't seem to make sense. The article states that this has happened to Lorenzo at Laguna in '08, saying "the tire slid and then caught traction..." Anyone?

Awhile back I posted about a conversation I had with a street buddy on a cold evening. I was on PP and he was on 2CT. He had much more faith in the tires than I did and blasted out immediately. I still have not found the indicators of a ready tire, but I have felt when it's not ready (while leaned over). Fortunately, I've always been able to save it because I never push early, and this will be a hindrance if I choose to race. The front feedback early in the session on my PPs feel sluggish and as they come in they feel solid as Ronnie said. I have no clue about the rear. I asked Keith about this when I was at the school because of the horror stories I've heard about this or the other brand of tire. I hope out of this thread to at least get an idea, even if I haven't experienced it consciously. A little off topic, but that's all I got at the moment.

Thanks Cobie. I'll check it out.

I may consider having the wheel tested for runout

T'he other day I decided to ride my bike to go meet some family. Only problem is that I had a mysteriously flat rear tire. No biggie I thought, I'll swap out the Michelin Pilot Power for the Shinko* that I already have mounted on a spare wheel. *(I don't know why I still have this thing. I got it 4 years ago and just hung onto it, but I did not like this tire's profile when I rode it, so I swapped it for a Dunlop then the Michelins.) About 30 minutes later (I had to relearn how to change a rear tire) I had it all ready to go and I took off. I did a few countersteers to get a feel for the tire and noticed that it felt like the bike steered really quickly. If you're familiar with this tire (005 IIRC) a lot of guys run them at drag strips because they are pretty flat until you get it leaned over then it's a quick roll to the side. I noticed while goings straight that the bars felt like they were rowing a bit in my hands. I didn't notice this with my Michelin and it's the only change that I'm aware of. I recall Dave Moss talking about a rowing feeling in a suspension video but don't recall exactly what makes that. Any suggestions? I'd like to know the cause of this feeling, even though I do plan to remount the Michelin after discovering the cause of the flat.

Behind the forum is a database. The admin can do a find and replace for all instances of Hubbard_28 and replace with Jasonzilla. That's the simple part. Not sure about the account, it depends on the authentication method being used.

Nah, I say he can use it to turn over a new leaf. (LOL)

Hey man; great story and I got a chuckle out of it too. I was thinking that somewhere in there you were going to say that you're not really a guy or something (LOL). Wanna know a secret? My last name isn't really Jaybird either....(LOL)

Because he talked about the front being twitchy. I reasoned that he needs more front tire time on the tarmac. I've never heard of the rule of thumb you mentioned, so I can't speak intelligently about that.

I think I understand where you're going with this. Just keep in mind that time to turn doesn't get longer, instead it requires more effort because you've reduced the time/distance equation. In other words, you need to get it done NOW as oppposed to n o w. Now, get out and ride you silly boy.

Which SR affects the above 3 in relation to this topic?

I have 2 questions for you sir. What relationship does line, speed and TP have? Do SR's play a role here?

I agree with Stuman on this. Try and take out some of the rebound damping on the front end. Not to insult you or anything, but this is accomplished by turning the screw at the top of the fork leg counterclockwise. Try 2 turns out on each fork, then go 1 turn or even 1/4 at a time. I'm also assuming you have regular forks (not the new BPF Showa stuff) and that the bike has the proper springs for your weight.

Fossilman, I understood that you were asking about the entry speed being too high. Now ??? you're asking about the turn-in being too soon???

Hotfoot, I'm good. I'm not getting into the fetal position just yet. I read in twist I that all things being equal getting turned and on the throttle as soon as possible gives one the best chance for stabilizing the bike and turning. Absent of any SR's with good body position, a text book quick turn and good throttle control what is the limiting factor of making the turn.... Since we're talking theory, I'd like to offer a suggested answer. What should happen is that you'd blow past the apex in this scenario, but since the helmeted computer is working well, we usually hit the apex at the expense of running wide at the exit.