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I understand it's Mid September, and it's a parallel release in both US and Uk at the sametime as well. You can definitely pre-order it in the UK, and assume it's the same in US. Bullet Hi Bullet Where in the uk can you pre-order the dvd from?

I should be more organized a bit but in reading other material here I think my weak spot right now is the quick turn. But I also just realized why I'm holding back on the quick turn- being still in the beginning group, I'm nervous about doing something quick and running into someone else. I always make an effort to behave predictably so as to not cause problems and tangling up with other guys, and I've equated predictability with being slow and gradual in corners. Just a thought here stevo but wouldn't one positive quick turn for each corner be more predictable? If you were behind a slower rider looking for a way past how would you prefer them to ride?

I think you may be misinterpretating Keiths words here. When does Keith suggest you should be getting back to 60/40, with the throttle rule? What are you as a rider typically doing before this time? In this time, where is more of the weight? Does being of the throttle move the weight to the front? Does trail braking add more or less weight to this? I also wonder what bike you have, what setup, and what tyres and pressure you're running ? I suspect that the really fast boys have super sticky tyres? Bullet This throws up a bit of confusion for me, I thought the principle was the same no matter whether the tyres were super sticky or sports tourers, unless of course you are refering to how the tyre performs before turn in, in which case then I agree the super sticky efforts will be able to withstand much higher forces during braking and decceleration, but I assume no matter what tyre your on after you have the bike steered you get on the throttle ASAP and achieve the 60-40 as described in the book? Bobby

Hi Kristi, Yeah of course this question is for everyone, students and coaches, it interests me to know how people go about improving their riding, and it seems as though for every riding problem there is a CSS drill you can work on to overcome that problem no matter what level your at from trackday novice, to coaches, to pro racers! The reason I asked about goals is that I realised that when track riding (especially people on this forum), you are never content, there is never a point when you think ok, I am as fast as I want to be, so I will just stick at this level! Everyone always wants to improve some aspect of their riding! At the moment I am working on body position alot, since I recently did my level 3 it has completely changed my riding style and I feel as though my bike fits me so much better, Its a new thing for me though as before L3 I never used the hang off style so its something I will be focusing on for a while I think! Bobby

Every time I go to the track I have an idea of a few drills I want to work on throughout the day, if its a sessioned day I usually stick to the light brakes and 2 gears for the first session and play around with lines a bit just to get a feel for the track, There are 3 things I have to keep in check throughout the day to keep my riding smooth, 1/ Relax, I have a bad tendency to tense my upper body for no particular reason. 2/ Keep my visuals flowing and head up, L2 was a huge leap forward in my riding ability and apart from the obvious benifits of good visual skills, if practiced correctly it seems to sort out my first problem of relaxing! 3/ Throttle control rule #1, this is everything to me, if I fail to follow it then as far as I'm concerned I've blown that corner, there is not another technique that can compensate for bad TC, So when I go out on track, these 3 things are priority, on top of that the night before a track day I usually pick 1 or 2 things from my level drill books, they have page references to what sections of the twist books are relevant to them, so I have a read over them and then go out on track with it clear in my mind what I want to work on! Track time is expensive for me and usually involves a fair amount of travelling so I feel that every time I get on track I should aim to improve!

I've never raced so cant say too much about this but what I do know is if you watch the top racers they put in faster laps nearer the end of the race!

The one thing about this foot off the peg technique, if you can even call it a technique is that rossi seems to be getting the credit for starting it! The commentators here in the UK have even started calling it the doctors dangle, but if you watch the moto gp movie Faster you will see that in the last year of the 2-stroke 500s John Hopkins was doing this exact thing on the 500 Suzuki while trying to compete with the 990s, Hopper had a good year that year considering the machinery he was up against and quite possibly no one raced as hard and on the edge as he did that year! Also If you watch the races from this year, Rossi vs Lorenzo you will see that Lorenzo enters corners with a more conventional riding style of foot on the peg, another interesting point on Lorenzo's style is that he is one of the few moto gp racers that uses a type of stomp grip since as he says the most important thing about cornering a bike at such high speeds is getting securely locked onto the bike, sound familiar!

Since you're going to be putting something in front of you to help with body position, are there some reference points on the bike you can use to help you get the correct position with your upper body? Maybe align a part of your body with a part of the bike? One comment about how I ride on the street and how it's different on the track. My BP on the street is geared toward giving me a good view of traffic, so it's necessarily more upright. Choco, you do this in the vid, where your head is leaning away from the turn (this also keeps the horizon level). This is a good technique for the street, keeping your head higher to see more and avoid all the cars trying to hit you. On the track you don't need to do this. So how would you change your head position? Enjoy Level 3, since it will focus on getting your body to work with the bike. Try putting your head on either side of the wind shield at a point where you head is not much higher than the top of the wind shield. You will help weight the front and get off the center line. Another good way of stopping getting crossed up on the bike is where you aim to put your chest, I find that if you aim to get your left nipple over the filler cap for right turns and vice-versa for left turns, it places your whole upper body in the perfect position for cornering! If your riding like this and have to hook turn, all you have to do is point your inside elbow towards the ground!

Historic hat-trick for CamierAirwaves Yamaha's Leon Camier has broken Niall Mackenzie's record from 1997 to take the most race wins in a BSB season, by winning the third race of the day at Brands Hatch. The victory also marked a momentous occasion for the GSE Racing team as they have now secured 100 race wins in the superbike class.Camier said: "I really don't know what to make of it all, it is just such a dream come true for me and to have it all in one day is just so amazing. One hundred wins for the team and then 14 wins this season for me is just so much to take in. I need to thank everyone who has supported me throughout my career, to get me where I am today. I now just have my fingers crossed that we get no bad luck and we can go on and finish the job, which is to win the title."

Historic hat-trick for CamierAirwaves Yamaha's Leon Camier has broken Niall Mackenzie's record from 1997 to take the most race wins in a BSB season, by winning the third race of the day at Brands Hatch. The victory also marked a momentous occasion for the GSE Racing team as they have now secured 100 race wins in the superbike class.Camier said: "I really don't know what to make of it all, it is just such a dream come true for me and to have it all in one day is just so amazing. One hundred wins for the team and then 14 wins this season for me is just so much to take in. I need to thank everyone who has supported me throughout my career, to get me where I am today. I now just have my fingers crossed that we get no bad luck and we can go on and finish the job, which is to win the title."

What exactly do you mean dptriple about unexpected answers coming from strange sources? It is a forum after all and as long as people are writing within the parameters of what we are discussing then there should be no problem, I for one think its a good thing that people are putting forward their opinions of cornering a motorbike even if sometimes you dont agree with what they say, in most occasions people will back up their statements with a section from one of Keiths books which makes it hard to argue but great for discussing. For as long as I have been using this forum, I have seen regular posters improving and writing about overcoming riding barriers and that includes racers and coaches, and I find that encouraging to keep pushing myself, I have even been involved in discussions with Keith Code himself regarding specific sections of the twist books, I cant think of a better source of information than that! I would like to see more people posting and joining discussions here, without being worried about being seen as putting forward unreliable information, if you doubt what someone has to say it maybe worth questioning why?

Hi busa. I am assuming that you are wondering whether the superbike school is good for improving road riding and not only for the track guys! If thats the case then definitely yes go to school and you will be amazed at what level 1 will do for you! Some of the problems you are experiencing are a bit concerning though, are you riding at a fast pace to try to keep up with mates when you are running wide or wondering whether your going to make the turn? You said you had twist 2, so I would recomend that you start by studying the sections on throttle control, there you will learn what throttle control rule #1 is and what you want to do is find a way of applying it to every corner you ride! I would say start by entering the turn a bit slower, even try to use minimum brakes for a while while experimenting with this, after you have steered the bike apply TC rule #1, this may be a change in riding style for you but it is worth practicing constantly, and it will give you a lot more feeling of being in control of the bike throughout the turn! Hope this helps you, and ride at a speed on the road that allows you make the turn without running wide, you wont get away with it for ever!

I am starting this thread based on something written by fossilfuel in a different thread! Hope you dont mind fossilfuel but I didn't want to change the subject of that other thread! You have written "I have attained every goal I set for myself in riding. I am setting new goals now and I am in the best shape of my life. So, for me, the reward has greatly out weighed the risk". I find that sentence inspiring, and it got me wondering how do you set these goals and what are they? are they based on improved laptimes or is specific areas of riding you are aiming to improve? this question is to everyone on the forum, what are your current riding goals and how are you going about achieving them?

Hi dbtriple I like it when an interesting cornering subject is discussed on this forum but you cant leave it to the coaches to start the discussions, jaybird used to be good at kick starting debates and discussions on here but he hasn't been around much lately, probably because its summer! Best to ask a specific cornering question to the forum and see what kind of replies you get! As for the coaches earning their money, I think that they do that on the track, the fact we get some of the top coaches in the world voicing their opinions on this forum is a very big bonus for us guys and girls that are constantly working on improving our technique!

Good stuff tgriff I have recently learned that using the eyes properly is the key to going faster for me! Track riding sure does become very addictive, the more you do, the more you want to do!

Thats a good video, makes me want to book up for it right now lol! It's my intention to do the 2 day camp eventually, and now that I'm ready to do level 4 I think thats the ideal time for it! I will be waiting for next years schedule to come out though as no holidays left from work for this year! Thats a bit of a bonus though as I need to work on my fitness before I do the 2 day camp to get the most out of it!

Lorenzo and stoner at laguna seca were both on an out lap on fresh tyres, Steve Parish was the commentator on tv and said they were both off the throttle highsides which I thought was a bit strange, then I thought maybe if they were off the throttle, they were just turning in and steered the bike so fast that a lack of heat in the back tyre caused the rear to come around and highside them! The interesting thing about Rossi's lowside at donington is that it looked like he was going to highside but kept the rear spinning until he went down on the lowside, If this is what actually happened then throttle control rule #1 really saved him from a big crash!

Hi harnois Giving this some more thought you are absolutely right in what you say! Also I was thinking if you prioritised something in your head before a ride out or track session, you would be spending some attention on that specific drill or technique! So that contradicts what I said before I have a bad habbit of overthinking things but I guess everyone, well everyone on this forums top priority is to improve at riding a bike, no matter what technique we are working on or what section of the twist books we are trying to understand we always have a barrier to improvement and coming home from a trackday knowing that you have improved an area of your riding is a great feeling, only problem is when you do get through a riding barrier there's another usually bigger one waiting for you, then you reread the books and figure out what drills will help you now! Its never ending

Rumored it was going to go onto You tube (the trailer), but don't think it's up yet. I'll let you guys know the minute I know! CF On keiths recent visit to UK, he's shown the UK staff the DVD trailer, and it really does look exceptionally impressive. Some fantastic on board video of the points in TW2, it uses Virtual Reality compyter Graphics in some places, its very, very slick and a massive, (and I mean massive), step from what there has been before. I understood, that this was probably going to be available August 09 sometime. I'll be getting one (well two, as it's 2 DVD's apparently) for sure! Bullet Hi Bullet, Do you know if this dvd will be available directly from the CSS UK website when released! I'm looking forward to it, I bet it will spark off a few interesting discussions on this site too!

Hi Bobby, A very interesting question indeed. Well, there are many champions as you're very well aware, our two latest out of the UK are Leon Camier, (Supersport and with luck soon to be BSB Champion), and Thomas Luthi (125 GP Champion). There are countless others that have been through the school but I'm not aware of who they all are. I'm not sure how student coach allocation is done in the US, but I suspect it's much the same as ours, when you complete your sign on questionaire, type of bike, number of trackdays, racing experience etc, that kind of allocates you to the right type of coach you get. Clearly you need someone that can keep up with you, and provide you with valuable feedback on how you're going. We do have a pecking list of speed of coaches, but that's only one part really, as clearly experience and coaching ability are equally if not more important, and so this becomes a cheif allocation decision also. We do get riders turning up on their race bikes, though when Leon comes for example, he usually leverages a School R6 as did Thomas. We do get club and national racers turning up on their full on race bikes, wets, etc, and it can be interesting sometimes trying to keep up, though of course, you must also remember that the odds are a little stacked on our side for much of the day, as you students can't use all gears and brakes where as we can. That said though, I've personally never had a student I couldn't interact succesfully with, though chasing club racers on wets when your on raod tyres can be very hard work I have to admit. If it did happen, you'd get moved onto a coach that could keep up with you and your abilities. I hope that helps answer your question my friend? Bullet Thanks for that reply Bullet, I never thought about the no brakes and a few gears but of course that would give you coaches a little bit of an edge, its interesting to know that Leon Camier and Thomas Luthi use the schools R6s, It really just goes to show that when their at school they really are focusing on improving themselfs and their own techniques and the bike doesn't really matter, not that there's anything wrong with the R6s, but just that they would be used to far superior machines! It brings it into perspective that even the top guys are working on the same drills as us mere mortals! Thats pretty cool! I wonder as an instructor though do you start off only being able to coach level 1 and work your way through the levels or do you coach all the drills from all the levels from your first day instructing? Cheers Bobby

Something I've been wondering about is the list of successful champions that have been trained by the CSS over the years, and how you guys do it, I know that you guys have to coach people from roadriders to national and international contenders and champions! I could imagine that getting me as a student would make quite a relaxing day for a CSS coach but what about when you get guys like Leon Camier, can you keep up to observe someone as fast as that? Do the racers use their racebikes when they come to school? Do you ever get a student that really makes you have to work hard to keep up?

Hi UK-ZX6 welcome to the forum! talking tyres can be a bit of a funny subject, there are loads of different opinions out there! The tyre your running, Stock BT014's, I assume when you say stock your saying the tyre that came on the bike when it was new! If so you need to realise that its an OE fitment tyre and not quite the same as a BT014 tyre that you can buy. not a big deal though unless they are giving you problems with grip! Anyway, pressures, are you lowering your pressures for the track? A guide line figure is 30 psi rear 32 psi front, this is a personal thing though and is worth experimenting with, what you are actually looking for here is a 5-7 psi increase from cold to hot to get the tyre into its optimum operating temperature! If they are under 5 remove a little air to generate more heat and if they are over 7 add a little air, your ideal pressures will change the faster you get! Which tyre to use, alot of people go straight for the super sticky track oriented tyres, thats ok if your carrying spare wheels with wets on, if not go for a good all round road tyre, like your BT014 or highly recommended on this forum is the Dunlop qualifier! If you have the twist of the wrist books go to page 83 of book 1 you will see that Keith has written "Buying racing tires that are beyond your capabilities as a rider will not allow you to experience how tires perform at their limits"! With that statement in mind I stuck a pair of Dunlop roadsmarts on my bike when I was at CSS the other week, there supposed to be sport-tourers, I've had no issues with them yet and the wear pattern is over the edge on the rear and very nearly there on the front!

Yes mate inside of inside knee and inner thigh of inside leg.......So the way I understood what I was taught would be (for a left hand turn). Press the left knee into the (left) tank scallop and use that knee inner thigh to slide my ass across the seat to the left. So I'm pulling my ass left across the seat with my left leg. It feels weird for sure, but like Cobie said the alternative is to lift off the seat and unsettle the bike. Keep the bike stable, right?? Thanks for the help Oh and by the way, I met Keith and Dylan Code and Bullet from this parish. Slow'Name dropper'Ass I also did my L3 recently and the impression I got in this subject was that its ok to lift off the seat very slightly, as in basically just enough to ulnload the pressure on the seat pad! by doing this I find that you can move knee to knee quite smoothly.

I started 18 years ago, with small capacity bikes 250s for comuting and messing about with mates, my safety gear was an open faced helmet that was found at the back of a mates dads garage, a pair of steel toe capped working boots, jeans, jacket, and a pair of welding gloves! I got my first sport bike 7 years ago, a CBR600F which I used on the road, and touring Europe, I did 2 trackdays on that bike but was just having fun circulating the track! I then traded it in for my current CBR600RR which I lowsided on track when it was 9 months old, I was devastated as it was my pride and joy, not only that but my confidence was shattered, I decided to give up track riding, and become content with road riding again! The following year I wasn't getting my confidence back, I then found this forum and got involved with some discussions that made me immediately go buy the twist books, and following a bit of advice from Cobie regarding throttle control I was back rebuilding my confidence, at the time I thought the school was a bit expensive, but from reading the books and reading the discussions on here I had to go for level 1, so I saved for that and completed it last year and now cant recomend the school highly enough to anyone! Also started doing trackdays again with a my new found confidence and the realisation that the better I get the better my bike gets. Due to distance to the school my mate and I decided it would be more cost effective to do 2 days in a row, so we did that earlier this month for levels 2 and 3! He just bought a track only bike and over the winter I am intending to turn my CBR600RR into a track only bike! It is our intention to do 2 days at school every year and as many trackdays as possible, which includes a fair bit of travelling to get to tracks! I know I wont be a racer but my goal is to be as fast and smooth as the CSS instructors eventually, its a good feeling having done a trackday and noticing an improvement in an area of your riding at the end of the day rather than just circulating as fast as you can! Bobby

Ace--why would they be seperate and/or exclusive? CF Hi Cobie Ok some time ago Keith responded to a question stating that you only had to tighten up on the outside leg for the duration of the time it takes to steer the bike then you can relax again, makes perfect sense! I however am unable to relax my leg once at lean angle as my leg is like a coiled spring wedged between my footpeg and tank, I am worried that if I relaxed the tension in my leg I would lose my lock onto the bike and unpset the stability mid turn. does this make sense? Got it. One would have to use some effort to stay locked on, that's for sure. Would it be a little more (or a fair amount more) during the action of steering, especially trying to steer quickly, going fast? CF I would say that the pressure remains the same from turn in throughout the turn, I do feel securely locked onto my bike though which is a great feeling, should I be applying even more pressure when I steer or should I maybe experiment with less energetic ways of locking on to the bike? Look at it this way--in that technique, when you are steering (and lets say you were going fast, and had to steer it sharply) doesn't it take a lot of effort to steer the bike quickly? Hint: we have known racers that have BENT handlebars from steering the bike aggresively. Got it Cobie thanks, I can see how planted on the bike one would have to be to apply enough pressure bend or snap a handlebar!