Jaybird180

I have 2 questions for you sir. What relationship does line, speed and TP have? Do SR's play a role here?

I agree with Stuman on this. Try and take out some of the rebound damping on the front end. Not to insult you or anything, but this is accomplished by turning the screw at the top of the fork leg counterclockwise. Try 2 turns out on each fork, then go 1 turn or even 1/4 at a time. I'm also assuming you have regular forks (not the new BPF Showa stuff) and that the bike has the proper springs for your weight.

Fossilman, I understood that you were asking about the entry speed being too high. Now ??? you're asking about the turn-in being too soon???

Hotfoot, I'm good. I'm not getting into the fetal position just yet. I read in twist I that all things being equal getting turned and on the throttle as soon as possible gives one the best chance for stabilizing the bike and turning. Absent of any SR's with good body position, a text book quick turn and good throttle control what is the limiting factor of making the turn.... Since we're talking theory, I'd like to offer a suggested answer. What should happen is that you'd blow past the apex in this scenario, but since the helmeted computer is working well, we usually hit the apex at the expense of running wide at the exit.

Most trackday org here require a working rear brake to pass tech. One of the Control Riders from NESBA said she is still on the original set of rear pads.

If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you low-sided on the street and have a confidence problem there? I'd say that you're increasing in wisdom. The street is an uncontrolled environment and pinning down WHY you went down it tough to do, especially if you're pushing the twisties and didn't find the reason then. If it's the track, I'd say increase you speed and lean angle in small increments and your confidence will return proportionately.

Here's a day at the office. Watch Toseland:

Watch the left hand. You can see the change in position.

Have a link to it? I can't video at work anymore. Ooops. I meant Stewart's video

I think you need courage in order to acquire the skill. That's my answer and I'm sticking to it.

Still waiting...

...what a loaded question - but I'll bite. I say BOTH! Rainman Is courage a learned skill?

Have a link to it? I can't video at work anymore.

Was thinking the same thing. Welcome back, Cobie (LOL)

I'm glad you answered that way. I have found that some of the techniques, particularly the 2-step lend very well to increasing the tendency toward tunnel vision. On the track, we can identify the TP and if we've found a good one for the turn it fades into the subconscious. We can't quite do this on the street as the conditions are constantly evolving. We may select a TP while still several seconds away but we have a tendency to double check for gravel, oil, etc. not to mention that we have moving chicanes around us that may require a line change though the corner. I think it's okay to let survival win in this situation (LOL). I have found a few areas where I can practice drills, but they've done construction at one of my areas and added 2 stop lights at the other, so I need to find a new area too. But, like you find it difficult to get the tracktime needed and try to practice on the street, but it's never effective enough and has invited unproductive self-criticism. I welcome you to take a look at this article by Keith Code in light of this topic: http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.php?showtopic=114

BLSJDS- Are we talking about applying the 2-step on the street or track? I would suggest they differ in their application.

I was going to comment, but Bullet's approach was better at getting to the point. I'll sit back and watch. TYVM.

I find it interesting that World Champion Fast Freddie is teaching how to make a motorcycle turn using the brakes. When he announces races, he talks A LOT about trail braking. Jason Pridmore teaches it also. I have no comment.

Ha ha..NYCE...I'd like your permission to share that one on another board....I love it.

JB, Watch it again. If he had brake failure (or any other mechanical issue) why does he maintain his pace as he powers away from the incident and proceed to make the following two turns? He actually goes onto the grass on the following corner but not the next. I have had more than one mechanical failure on the track with the worst being a throttle stuck WFO (more than once). The first thing I always do is throw up my left hand up and then try to deal with the issue once I have alerted the following riders that there is a problem. What I never do is to keep going as if everything is all right. Kevin Yeah, you have a point about him keeping going after the incident, and for that someone should find out from him why. Did he think that it was just a bump or what??? If he doesn't have a good reason, then I say he needs some serious counseling. I'm sure he's not the first nor last trackday racer out there.

I'm sorry to be the lone dissenter on this one. If it is true as Jody stated that he had a brake failure, then there is no fault. Sad but it's the reason we all sign waivers. Things happen. Is it fair: NO, it is not fair. Was it fair for the lady racer awhile back who died at a trackday? NO it was not fair. IMHO, IF he had brake failure, judging by the way he came in, he had no other alternative other than TRY and make the corner, which it looks like he attempted. Regardless of his efforts, it looks like he would have run wide if no one was there and in which case he could have then been in the grass and possibly gotten the bike to slow down. I'm sorry about what happened to you Jody. I don't think you did anything wrong, just wrong time and place, buddy. But this incident is an example of something that we all as riders need to think about and if we haven't then we are not practicing good risk management.

LOL Seriously- What clues are in this photo that tells you that something is amiss? I don't see it.

Are those slicks?

The second photo does appear that you're pushing the bike underneath you. Have you ever heard of 'kiss the mirror'?

Oh, there are some dangers in getting your wife involved - here's a few: 1) It costs twice as much now 2) You talk each other into even more track days and bike parts and lastly, nightmare of nightmares, 3) She MIGHT GET FASTER THAN YOU. Oooh...what a burn!